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From: "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab...@low.quality>
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:06:40 GMT
Local: Sun 24 Apr 2005 18:06
Subject: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
http://tinyurl.com/78u3g
They've changed their mind since last time, because on August 18th last http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/archive.htm Therefore, given that DAB at 128kbps will sound worse than HE AAC at Hooraaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Also, from today's Doors in the Sunday Times, they've come up with a "The Music Retailers Should: 1. Make clear that music downloads are of much lower audio quality than 2. Offer music downloads at various levels of quality, ban the term 3. End payment systems based on "credits" that expire after 12 months. The Recording Industry Should: 4. Price download albums at £5 and single tracks at 50p to reflect 5. Agree standard usage restrictions to allow storage on five 6. Instist that online stores and hardware manufacturers - notably I'd sign up for that! Also note that the audio codecs used for music If anybody wants to complain, the first website to complain to would be -- Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Newsgroups: alt.radio.digital
Date: 25 Apr 2005 01:55:17 -0700
Local: Mon 25 Apr 2005 09:55
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/78u3g I was one of those who complained about the original judgement, and > They've changed their mind since last time, because on August 18th have received all the paper work since. I haven't commented here because the ASA requests that you keep the various drafts confidential until the final judgement is published. The ASA handled this very professionally, and have applied a strict I'm very pleased the original judgement has been overturned and that Cheers, P.S. As we all know, _most_ claims about dodgy sound quality have You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab...@low.quality>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:27:39 GMT
Local: Mon 25 Apr 2005 18:27
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
Yes, very good news indeed.
> P.S. As we all know, _most_ claims about dodgy sound quality have Although *we* know that "digital quality" == "bad quality", I'm not sure > retreated from using the words "CD quality" and now use the > meaningless "digital quality". As this phrase is used to describe > poorer and poorer products, I predict that it won't be long before > "digital quality" becomes synonymous with "bad quality" and is > dropped as a marketing phrase entirely the rest of the population are up to speed on this one.... I still think that the DAB industry's use of "digital quality" is to deliberately suggest to consumers that the quality is like what you get on CDs. > - after all "digital" isn't I tell you what will be interesting is whether HD Radio in the States > going to be the next big shiny new thing for long - the world moves > on, and so will the marketing. takes off. There's no additional choice, AFAIK, and it's being sold solely on the back of superior audio quality compared to FM. I saw an article reporting on the NAB about HD Radio a few days ago and it said that there's only 2 or so products available at the moment, and they're both for the car after-market, but 20 or so new products are coming out this year. One of the consultants to HD Radio that was quoted came out with the blindingly obvious "we're going to have to promote it on-air" (does he expect payment for that advice? ;)), so it looks like HD Radio is getting to the stage where DAB was when the Evoke-1 was first released at £99. It's going to be pretty hard to gauge because we don't get to hear how There'll be a similar situation when HDTV launches in the UK, because if -- Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "hwh" <iimeel...@hotmail.com.nospam>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:01:42 +0200
Local: Mon 25 Apr 2005 19:01
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
> Although *we* know that "digital quality" == "bad quality", I'm not sure Digital quality does not need to be bad quality. The suppliers of T-DAB and > the rest of the population are up to speed on this one.... I still think > that the DAB industry's use of "digital quality" is to deliberately > suggest to consumers that the quality is like what you get on CDs. DVB-T just configured their multiplexes to contain too many channels to obtain reasonable quality. gr, hwh You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab...@low.quality>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:16 GMT
Local: Mon 25 Apr 2005 20:23
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
hwh wrote: I know, it's just that in the UK the term "digital quality" has now >> Although *we* know that "digital quality" == "bad quality", I'm not >> sure the rest of the population are up to speed on this one.... I >> still think that the DAB industry's use of "digital quality" is to >> deliberately suggest to consumers that the quality is like what you >> get on CDs. > Digital quality does not need to be bad quality. become synonymous with "band quality". I'd be very happy with 256kbps MP2 radio stations, but I'm not expecting to see any, probably ever. > The suppliers of Indeed. > T-DAB and DVB-T just configured their multiplexes to contain too many > channels to obtain reasonable quality. -- Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Richard L <use...@nospamwireless.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:21:51 +0100
Local: Mon 25 Apr 2005 23:21
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab...@low.quality> wrote: > so it looks like HD Radio Er, aren't you forgetting about Internet radio listening, Steve? You > is getting to the stage where DAB was when the Evoke-1 was first > released at £99. > It's going to be pretty hard to gauge because we don't get to hear how used to advocate it passionately. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Richard Evans <R.P.Evans.NoS...@NTLWorld.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:03:58 GMT
Local: Wed 27 Apr 2005 23:03
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
Question.
Which one of us in the NG. is going to volunteer to spend hours of their Not me, I have too much other stuff to sort out. Richard. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab...@low.quality>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:56:11 GMT
Local: Thurs 28 Apr 2005 08:56
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
I listen to some excellent American internet radio stations. Or did
listen until my broadband packed in last weekend. Thinking about it, the one I listen to most (planetsoulnetwork.com) Far better audio quality than *any* 128kbps DAB station. -- Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "hwh" <iimeel...@hotmail.com.nospam>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:45:12 +0200
Local: Fri 29 Apr 2005 15:45
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
> Which one of us in the NG. is going to volunteer to spend hours of their These days people put the output of internet streams on their mobile music > time tied to an internet connection listening to the American radio > stations? player. Another option is a wireless headphone. gr, hwh You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Richard Evans <R.P.Evans.NoS...@NTLWorld.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:00:23 GMT
Local: Wed 27 Apr 2005 23:00
Subject: Re: ASA Upholds CD-quality Complaint Against AOL
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote: <SNIP> > There'll be a similar situation when HDTV launches in the UK, because if Richard. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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