> The effort to discredit and shut down opposition to Obamacare has gone from > Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid holding up artificial turf and House > Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi calling opponents Nazis to violence. During a > demonstration Thursday evening outside a forum on aging called by U.S. Rep. > Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, in Mehville, Missouri, a patriot was viciously > attacked by union thugs.
> "Health care reform opponents felt cheated after being locked out of the > town hall," writes Ryan Witt for the Examiner. "Some believed that SEIU > (Service Employees International Union) members were being let in instead of > them. From my personal observation the Carnahan office was allowing people > who had RSVP'd beforehand to go in ahead of others."
> The Democrat Carnahan packed the event and attempted to prevent the > opposition from attending. As the video below reveals, ACORN activists also > received preferential treatment at the stage-managed event:
> [YouTube video (37 sec.) shown here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ZJhR3T4aw > "Dems Sneak Union Thugs Into Carnahan Town Hall--Tea Party Taxpayers > Locked Out!" ]
> The St. Louis Dispatch [*] reports people opposed to Obamacare "were kept > out because of the turnout," an assertion at odds with the above video. "The > back and forth between factions within the crowd created a carnival-like > atmosphere inside and out between members of the movement opposing President > Barack Obama's policies and groups who came to show support for the > president's proposals."
> In a prepared statement after the event, Carnahan characterized the > opposition as "disrupters" and said they were "mobilized" by "special > interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by overcharging > Americans for a broken health care system."
> Union thugs viciously attacked a patriot, Kenneth Gladney, who was handing > out Gadsen flags outside the stage-managed event. The St. Louis Tea Party > was also demonstrating against Democrats attempting to force Obamacare > through Congress.
> As the video below documents, the "disrupters" were pro-Obamacare > supporters, not Gladney or the St. Louis Tea Party.
> "Kenneth was attacked on the evening of August 6, 2009 at Rep. Russ > Carnahan's > town hall meeting in South St. Louis County," writes Gladney's attorney, > David B. Brown, in an email sent to Infowars. "Kenneth was approached by an > SEIU representative as Kenneth was handing out 'Don't Tread on Me' flags to > other conservatives. The SEIU representative demanded to know why a black > man was handing out these flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against > Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another > SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head > and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member > and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they > were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo."
> "Kenneth supports conservative ideals, although he subscribes to no > particular political party," Brown continues. "We are calling on the SEIU, > Representative Carnahan, and President Obama to condemn the racist actions > of these union thugs. In the days to come, we will be investigating whether > these thugs are working at the behest of Representative Carnahan and how > strong their alliances to various organizations - such as ACORN - may be. We > hope the St. Louis Tea Party and tea party organizations around the country > will protest Representative Carnahan's offices and also protest SEIU offices > in every major city across the U.S. These Democratic strong-arm tactics must > end now."
> Brown characterizes the attack on Gladney, who was hospitalized with > multiple injuries, as "a truly senseless hate crime." According to > Democrats, however, the hate criminals and "astroturfers" are citizens > opposed to Obama's plan to hijack health care and force all Americans into a > mandatory government program at gunpoint.
> [*] link refers to original article, the second (earlier) one at the end.
> "Dueling protestors disrupt Carnahan forum on aging"
> By Kim Bell and Leah Thorsen > ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH > 08/07/2009
> UPDATED, 11:45 a.m. Friday, with new details from police and those arrested, > statement from the Post-Dispatch editor and new comments from Carnahan.
> MEHLVILLE -- St. Louis County police arrested six people, including a > Post-Dispatch reporter, during a demonstration Thursday evening outside a > forum on aging called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis.
> Three people were arrested on suspicion of assault, two for interfering and > one for peace disturbance - all misdemeanors, said St. Louis County Police > spokesman Rick Eckhard.
> "You've got to understand -- we're at a very volatile situation, we've got > 800 people and we've got to maintain order," Eckhard said Friday morning. > "They did what they had to do."
> Police will be interviewing more people over the next few days and welcome > anyone with videotape to contact them. "We're not trying to hide anything," > Eckhard said. "We'll be talking with others who want to come forward and > anyone who wants to suply video, we encourage that."
> The forum drew an overflow crowd of several hundred to Bernard Middle School > gym in south St. Louis County. Dozens of people, many carrying signs about > the health care debate, were kept out because of the turnout. The back and > forth between factions within the crowd created a carnival-like atmosphere > inside and out between members of the movement opposing President Barack > Obama's policies and groups who came to show support for the president's > proposals.
> Members of the local Tea Party Coalition, a movement that has emerged to > counter Obama's policies, had urged their members to attend Carnahan's > forum, which in turn spurred Democrats to establish a strong presence.
> The six people were arrested after confrontations outside the school, > Eckhard said. Carnahan was gone when the ruckus started, Eckhard said.
> Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was > attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't > tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the > emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was > awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. > Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a > racial slur against him before the attack.
> "It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," he > said.
> Post-Dispatch reporter Jake Wagman, who was covering the event and shooting > video for stltoday.com, was arrested for interference. He was released on > his own recognizance a few hours later.
> Eckhard wasn't there, but the scene supervisor explained Wagman's arrest > this way: County officers were trying to make an arrest, Eckhard said. "They > informed the reporter to move back and he either didn't move back or moved > forward again. From what I understand, he was informed at least once, if not > twice, to move back."
> The county counselor will decide on charges in the six arrests. Eckhard said > the case won't be turned over to the counselor until next week.
> Arnie Robbins, editor of the Post-Dispatch, issued this statement Friday.
> "In arresting our reporter, we think the police overreacted and were > over-zealous. While we understand that police have difficult jobs and were > in a volatile situation, we hope they understand that reporters, too, have > difficult jobs and were in a volatile situation."
> Robbins also said, "On two separate occasions, police asked our reporter to > move farther away from the scene. He identified himself and complied -- he > was also wearing his press badge clearly visible around his neck. On a third > occasion, two police officers asked him to leave. Before he could explain > who he was and that he was standing where two other officers had told him > to, a police officer counted to two, handcuffed him and arrested him. Even > later, after identifying himself as a Post-Dispatch reporter, the police > processed him.
> "We absolutely think that our reporter handled himself responsibly. We > absolutely do not think that charges are warranted," Robbins added.
> At 11 a.m. Friday, Carnahan called a press conference to criticize > protesters who disrupted his forum.
> While criticizing some GOP leaders who he said have encouraged protesters, > Carnahan also said he was disappointed by actions of left-wing > counter-protesters.
> "Sadly, they got out of control on both sides," he said. "That's not > helpful, adn I condemn that activity."
> He said he suspected "special interests" representing some in the health > care industry of having a role. "The American people will find you out," he > said.
> Carnahan called for a more civil debate over health care
Strangely the footage I'm seeing on the air of shrieking Limgaugh, Liddy, North, Coulter, Beck, Birther, etc. acolytes not even allowing the Dems to speak at "town hall meetings" doesn't look at all like your fantasy. Remember W's loyalty pledges campaign rally attendees were forced to sign before admitance? Maybe the dumbass Dems should follow his example.
I'm sure if the election was held today Roy's Looneytooneyian candidate would win.
Hey, Roy. Let's pretend McCain got in. Give us an example of how you would be libeling him for winning instead of your libertarian loser for losing. As always.
That means he was born in this country. You don't know what you're talking about. Stay with subjects you're an expert in. Like the hollow earth, Roswell, and the continent of Atlantis.
> That means he was born in this country. You don't know what you're talking > about. Stay with subjects you're an expert in. Like the hollow earth, > Roswell, and the continent of Atlantis.
And believing he's SMARTER than everybody else, even if he has no social skills or self-awareness of how others perceive him...and why he nas NO FRIENDS.
The simple request that some kind of evidence be shown that Obama's MOTHER was ever IN Africa in 1961 is also ignored by all the blockheads and nutcases who make various silly claims about his birth. If she wasn't THERE, he wasn't born there -- DUH!!!
Ann went to highschool here in the Puget Sound area (Mercer Island) and has schoolmate friends who have been interviewed by the local media. They know about when she gave birth to her son in Hawaii where she had moved with her parents after graduating HS. She even came back here for awhile and brought her little boy. Who had the SLIGHTEST inkling he was going to be POTUS 47 years later??
[Default] On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:30:16 -0700 (PDT), Magnus <robertchamp2...@yahoo.com> magnanimously proffered:
>Can you say, "Brown shirts"?
>Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And >often succeeding.
So what was Pinochet's excuse?
--
"The problem with you crazies is you listen to your own voice too much and have fallen in love with yourselves. Take a break from what O'Reilly/Coulter may spew out, and start reading freedom-and libertarian-oriented books and blogs instead of fellow dummies as are O'Reilly/Coulter/Olbermann/Mathews and other collectivist-warriors on the phony Left-Right line which signifies nothing. You even identify with Stalin (as was Hitler) as a collectivist of the worst in ordering concentration camps for those who don't believe in their worldview of the State-uber-alles."
In article <688854e5-8d3a-44f5-97f6-0eaae9641...@f33g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Magnus <robertchamp2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Can you say, "Brown shirts"?
> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And > often succeeding.
> Magnus
As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and would not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what the anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall meetings across the country. This is a well organized campaign funded and run by the health insurance corporations. The resultant lock-outs and violence against these modern day Brown Shirts is a result of the frustration of those who want an intelligent debate or discussion of the issues; and of those who are angered by the bullying of the "t-baggers" and other pseudo-patriots, who go to these meetings only to disrupt them, and not to participate in any debate. I'll bet he health care industry is overjoyed at the violence against their "supporters" and is sure to encourage more tactics that will draw out the violence and anger on both sides. I do not favor any violence that is not for self defense, and hope that more people aren't suckered into losing their self control. However, remember that the Nazi Brown Shirts, when they saw that many people were afraid to stand up to them, decided to start beating on the few that did.
I tried to find this item on "Fair & Balanced" Fox News, but curiously it did not seem to exist there.
There is reallly no point in trying to change your alleged mind, is there?
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Illuminati, HIV created in a lab, the Great Pumpkin. Label it "governement conspiracy" and you will be first in line to believe it.
William Bojanowski wrote: > In article > <688854e5-8d3a-44f5-97f6-0eaae9641...@f33g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, > Magnus <robertchamp2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Can you say, "Brown shirts"?
>> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And >> often succeeding.
>> Magnus
> As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to > public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and would > not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what the > anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall meetings > across the country. This is a well organized campaign funded and run by > the health insurance corporations. The resultant lock-outs and violence > against these modern day Brown Shirts is a result of the frustration of > those who want an intelligent debate or discussion of the issues; and of > those who are angered by the bullying of the "t-baggers" and other > pseudo-patriots, who go to these meetings only to disrupt them, and not > to participate in any debate.
Excellent. Rachel Maddow devoted a big part of her show last night to revealing and explaining what is REALLY going on. Thank you for explaining the FACTS and TRUTH here, Mr. Boj. Not that those who get their "information/spin" from Fox News, Rush, Glenn, Ann and Laura would ever find out these "protesters" are MOSTLY planted, bussed around and funded by health insurance corporations well organized campaign. Where there really is a conspiracy behind the scenes, the dolts don't see it.
> I'll bet the health care industry is overjoyed at the violence against > their "supporters" and is sure to encourage more tactics that will draw > out the violence and anger on both sides. I do not favor any violence > that is not for self defense, and hope that more people aren't suckered > into losing their self control. However, remember that the Nazi Brown > Shirts, when they saw that many people were afraid to stand up to them, > decided to start beating on the few that did.
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:14:19 -0500, "A" <a...@att.net> wrote: >x-no-archive: yes
>The fight for/against the takeover by the U.S. on our health system is >getting hotter now.
>The police attack YOU, and then YOU go to jail!
Sounds as if you are describing Professor Gates, but there you go.
Loki
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." —George W. Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his job performance, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
"k.anders" <k.and...@gmx.com> wrote: > William Bojanowski wrote: > > In article > > <688854e5-8d3a-44f5-97f6-0eaae9641...@f33g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, > > Magnus <robertchamp2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Can you say, "Brown shirts"?
> >> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And > >> often succeeding.
> >> Magnus
> > As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to > > public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and would > > not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what the > > anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall meetings > > across the country. This is a well organized campaign funded and run by > > the health insurance corporations. The resultant lock-outs and violence > > against these modern day Brown Shirts is a result of the frustration of > > those who want an intelligent debate or discussion of the issues; and of > > those who are angered by the bullying of the "t-baggers" and other > > pseudo-patriots, who go to these meetings only to disrupt them, and not > > to participate in any debate.
> Excellent. Rachel Maddow devoted a big part of her show last night to > revealing and explaining what is REALLY going on. Thank you for > explaining the FACTS and TRUTH here, Mr. Boj. Not that those who get > their "information/spin" from Fox News, Rush, Glenn, Ann and Laura would > ever find out these "protesters" are MOSTLY planted, bussed around and > funded by health insurance corporations well organized campaign. Where > there really is a conspiracy behind the scenes, the dolts don't see it.
I don't know that most of them are "planted" but they are certainly given plenty of fertilizer by the health care industry and their proxies.
> I read that non-legal nonsense from the Obama-ites.
>> That means he was born in this country.
> Anybody can post anything in any [Hawaiian] newspaper, it has no >legal significance whatsoever, as this "birth announcement," as any lawyer >fresh out of passing the bar exam will tell you.
Pretending that your statement were true (which as is the norm for you, it is not) why in God's name would anyone put a fake birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper?
Or, to put it another way, who is this person who picked a future President 46 years in advance to the point that they covered their bases with a "fake announcement" picking in the World Series? This person is good.
Loki
The Libertarian Party is well on its way to dominating the political landscape, judging from its power base of 100+ elected dogcatchers and other important officials after 25 years of effort.
>>> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And >>> often succeeding.
>>> Magnus
>> As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to >> public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and would >> not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what the >> anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall meetings >> across the country.
> And the UNION THUGS are as pure as the driven snow! > Yeah, and the Sun revolves around the Earth, correct,William?
Did you not understand his point? Is that why you chose not to dispute it?
Loki
Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned arguments, which is why so many libertarians are in important government positions.
>> Pretending that your statement were true (which as is the norm for >> you, it is not) why in God's name would anyone put a fake birth >> announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper?
> To get the benefits in being a U.S. citizen, instead a foreigner who >would have to apply for U.S. citizenship.
He hasn't got a clue ... --
"They are supposed to have affairs only with men (er, boys)? *Democrats* have the affairs with women. Unless you are a Democrat woman and *then* you have them with men."
>>> I read that non-legal nonsense from the Obama-ites.
>>>> That means he was born in this country.
>>> Anybody can post anything in any [Hawaiian] newspaper, it has >>> no >>>legal significance whatsoever, as this "birth announcement," as any lawyer >>>fresh out of passing the bar exam will tell you.
>> Pretending that your statement were true (which as is the norm for >> you, it is not) why in God's name would anyone put a fake birth >> announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper?
> To get the benefits in being a U.S. citizen, instead a foreigner who >would have to apply for U.S. citizenship. > This way, he wouldn't have to, and his mom was a U.S. citizen who >obviously wanted him to have the same freedoms she enjoyed instead of having >to apply later to be a U.S. citizen--if he was born elsewhere.
>> Or, to put it another way, who is this person who picked a future >> President 46 years in advance to the point that they covered their >> bases with a "fake announcement" picking in the World Series? This >> person is good.
> You are reading way too much (into saying that nonsensical >suspicion) about his parents on his '61 birth. > Obviously, neither his parents nor anybody else thought he would >someday be a Presidential nominee, and elected. They (Barack Sr. and Ann >Dunham) merely wanted him to have the well-known benefits of being a U.S. >citizen, period, instead of being a Kenyan! That's all there is to it from >their point-of-view. > But, that critical automatic U.S. citizenship from birth >(allegedly) in Hawaii confers him the special possibility of becoming a >President or Vice President. Nobody knew that at the time, but that is a >critical subsidiary of his birth (allegedly again) in Hawaii, instead of in >Kenya, or anywhere else on Earth outside the U.S., for that matter.
You remain a paranoid nut job (no offense to other paranoid nut jobs intended). Some things never change.
Loki
Taxation is theft because we have a right to squat in the US and benefit from defense, infrastructure, police, courts, etc. without obligation.
>>>>> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And >>>>> often succeeding.
>>>>> Magnus
>>>> As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to >>>> public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and would >>>> not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what the >>>> anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall meetings >>>> across the country.
>>> And the UNION THUGS are as pure as the driven snow! >>> Yeah, and the Sun revolves around the Earth, correct,William?
>> Did you not understand his point? Is that why you chose not to dispute >> it?
>> Loki
>> Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned >> arguments,
> As if yours also aren't flip enough, and your undying loyalty >to those wonderful Democrats who went merrily along with Bush's >war-lies--proves they are just as dumb as he was. > You also are so naive and trusting of these gentle, selfless >politicians you routinely vote for again-and-again-and-yet-again,, if one of >them told you to bend over to pick up a wallet on April 1, you'd do it.
>> which is why so many libertarians are in >> important government positions.
> You are so biased against libertarians and trust Government >(and those awesome Democrats) so much than you care about LIBERTY itself, >you can't even defend the current crop of wonderful pols we already have had >for decades that think only of our well-being, and wouldn't dream of >ripping-us-off in their latest power-play health-takeover scheme or dreaming >of another war they can get us into so they can pass more PATRIOT Acts and >other "laws" that only revoke our precious liberties. > You love these pols and the great job they are doing so >damn much, why don't you volunteer to go fight in Franistan (or whatever the >name of the joint is that is only getting worse the longer the U.S. armies >are there), or in the Republic of Iraq the U.S. 'liberated' in 2003!
Had you been paying attention, I have NEVER supported the war in Iraq. From the beginning I said it was a hoax and history has proven me correct.
Loki
Enlightenment comes only through repetition of the sacred mantra "Government does not work" according to Guru Browne.
A wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for > Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental > College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard > Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from > the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his > years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association > records, any baptism records and adoption records."
>>>>> I read that non-legal nonsense from the Obama-ites.
>>>>>> That means he was born in this country.
>>>>> Anybody can post anything in any [Hawaiian] newspaper, it >>>>> has >>>>> no >>>>>legal significance whatsoever, as this "birth announcement," as any >>>>>lawyer >>>>>fresh out of passing the bar exam will tell you.
>>>> Pretending that your statement were true (which as is the norm for >>>> you, it is not) why in God's name would anyone put a fake birth >>>> announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper?
>>> To get the benefits in being a U.S. citizen, instead a foreigner who >>>would have to apply for U.S. citizenship. >>> This way, he wouldn't have to, and his mom was a U.S. citizen who >>>obviously wanted him to have the same freedoms she enjoyed instead of >>>having >>>to apply later to be a U.S. citizen--if he was born elsewhere.
>>>> Or, to put it another way, who is this person who picked a future >>>> President 46 years in advance to the point that they covered their >>>> bases with a "fake announcement" picking in the World Series? This >>>> person is good.
>>> You are reading way too much (into saying that nonsensical >>>suspicion) about his parents on his '61 birth. >>> Obviously, neither his parents nor anybody else thought he would >>>someday be a Presidential nominee, and elected. They (Barack Sr. and Ann >>>Dunham) merely wanted him to have the well-known benefits of being a U.S. >>>citizen, period, instead of being a Kenyan! That's all there is to it >>>from >>>their point-of-view. >>> But, that critical automatic U.S. citizenship from birth >>>(allegedly) in Hawaii confers him the special possibility of becoming a >>>President or Vice President. Nobody knew that at the time, but that is a >>>critical subsidiary of his birth (allegedly again) in Hawaii, instead of >>>in >>>Kenya, or anywhere else on Earth outside the U.S., for that matter.
>> You remain a paranoid nut job (no offense to other paranoid nut jobs >> intended). Some things never change.
> I can top that: you are a naive, semi-educated fool.
Cool. Care to use any other words you do not understand to describe your superiors? A brethren that includes many forms of vegetation.
>> Taxation is theft because we have a right to squat in the >> US and benefit from defense, infrastructure, police, >> courts, etc. without obligation.
> ROTFL, a common misperception, and a usual red herring from >the Federal Government-lovers and excusers!
Right. People who appreciate the police, military, and the roads upon which we drive our cars are government lovers and excusers.
Count me in.
Loki
Libertarian truth: Central planning cannot work. Which is why all businesses internally are run like little markets, with no centralized leadership.
>>>>>>> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. And >>>>>>> often succeeding.
>>>>>>> Magnus
>>>>>> As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to >>>>>> public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and >>>>>> would >>>>>> not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what >>>>>> the >>>>>> anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall >>>>>> meetings >>>>>> across the country.
>>>>> And the UNION THUGS are as pure as the driven snow! >>>>> Yeah, and the Sun revolves around the Earth, correct,William?
>>>> Did you not understand his point? Is that why you chose not to dispute >>>> it?
>>>> Loki
>>>> Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned >>>> arguments,
>>> As if yours also aren't flip enough, and your undying loyalty >>>to those wonderful Democrats who went merrily along with Bush's >>>war-lies--proves they are just as dumb as he was. >>> You also are so naive and trusting of these gentle, selfless >>>politicians you routinely vote for again-and-again-and-yet-again,, if one >>>of >>>them told you to bend over to pick up a wallet on April 1, you'd do it.
>>>> which is why so many libertarians are in >>>> important government positions.
>>> You are so biased against libertarians and trust >>> Government >>>(and those awesome Democrats) so much than you care about LIBERTY itself, >>>you can't even defend the current crop of wonderful pols we already have >>>had >>>for decades that think only of our well-being, and wouldn't dream of >>>ripping-us-off in their latest power-play health-takeover scheme or >>>dreaming >>>of another war they can get us into so they can pass more PATRIOT Acts and >>>other "laws" that only revoke our precious liberties. >>> You love these pols and the great job they are doing so >>>damn much, why don't you volunteer to go fight in Franistan (or whatever >>>the >>>name of the joint is that is only getting worse the longer the U.S. armies >>>are there), or in the Republic of Iraq the U.S. 'liberated' in 2003!
>> Had you been paying attention, I have NEVER supported the war in Iraq. >> From the beginning I said it was a hoax and history has proven me >> correct.
> Oh, well, not all Dem.'s are that bad--just 90+% of them on most >things. > Everybody gets to be correct at least once in their life, and I >thank you for your one time.
You are more than welcome. And in the event that you are ever in the same hemisphere as "correct about something", I will be sure to salute you.
Loki
Libertarian truth: Children, criminals, death cultists, and you all have the same inalienable right to own any weaponry: conventional, chemical, biological, or nuclear.
>>>>>>> I read that non-legal nonsense from the Obama-ites.
>>>>>>>> That means he was born in this country.
>>>>>>> Anybody can post anything in any [Hawaiian] newspaper, it >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> no >>>>>>>legal significance whatsoever, as this "birth announcement," as any >>>>>>>lawyer >>>>>>>fresh out of passing the bar exam will tell you.
>>>>>> Pretending that your statement were true (which as is the norm for >>>>>> you, it is not) why in God's name would anyone put a fake birth >>>>>> announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper?
>>>>> To get the benefits in being a U.S. citizen, instead a foreigner >>>>> who >>>>>would have to apply for U.S. citizenship. >>>>> This way, he wouldn't have to, and his mom was a U.S. citizen who >>>>>obviously wanted him to have the same freedoms she enjoyed instead of >>>>>having >>>>>to apply later to be a U.S. citizen--if he was born elsewhere.
>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, who is this person who picked a future >>>>>> President 46 years in advance to the point that they covered their >>>>>> bases with a "fake announcement" picking in the World Series? This >>>>>> person is good.
>>>>> You are reading way too much (into saying that nonsensical >>>>>suspicion) about his parents on his '61 birth. >>>>> Obviously, neither his parents nor anybody else thought he >>>>> would >>>>>someday be a Presidential nominee, and elected. They (Barack Sr. and >>>>>Ann >>>>>Dunham) merely wanted him to have the well-known benefits of being a >>>>>U.S. >>>>>citizen, period, instead of being a Kenyan! That's all there is to it >>>>>from >>>>>their point-of-view. >>>>> But, that critical automatic U.S. citizenship from birth >>>>>(allegedly) in Hawaii confers him the special possibility of becoming a >>>>>President or Vice President. Nobody knew that at the time, but that is >>>>>a >>>>>critical subsidiary of his birth (allegedly again) in Hawaii, instead of >>>>>in >>>>>Kenya, or anywhere else on Earth outside the U.S., for that matter.
>>>> You remain a paranoid nut job (no offense to other paranoid nut jobs >>>> intended). Some things never change.
>>> I can top that: you are a naive, semi-educated fool.
>> Cool. Care to use any other words you do not understand to describe >> your superiors? A brethren that includes many forms of vegetation.
>>>> Taxation is theft because we have a right to squat in the >>>> US and benefit from defense, infrastructure, police, >>>> courts, etc. without obligation.
>>> ROTFL, a common misperception, and a usual red herring >>> from >>>the Federal Government-lovers and excusers!
>> Right. People who appreciate the police, military, and the roads upon >> which we drive our cars are government lovers and excusers.
> You can't seem to understand the three levels of >government in this country, and in many others. > There is the clowns and real power-grabbers in D.C. who >have very limited authority to intervene in only specified areas according >to our Supreme Law: the Constitution.
Yadda, yadda, yadda. When The Constitution was written, roads were not necessary. When people wanted to get from point A to point B they either rode their horses or walked. When they wanted to defend their homesteads or kill their dinner they used flint locks. When they got sick, they died. Well regulated militias were necessary to defend towns and villages in the event that Indians attacked.
A lot has changed since then. I am surprised that you hadn't noticed.
And along with those advancements came a whole lot of responsibilities that the Founding Fathers would have had no reason to imagine.
So if you want to go back to those good old days, why don't you build yourself a cabin in the woods with the rest of your nutty friends. Remove yourself from the grid. Dig yourself a hole and build an outhouse around it. Get a flintlock and hunt for your dinner. And while you are at it, get rid of your computer. The entire newsgroup thanks you in advance for your cooperation.
>>>>>>>>> Inside every liberal there is a little fascist trying to get out. >>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>> often succeeding.
>>>>>>>>> Magnus
>>>>>>>> As usual, you're confused. The Nazi Brown Shirts would go to >>>>>>>> public meetings and shout down anyone who disagreed with them, and >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> not permit them to voice their point of view. This is exactly what >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> anti-public health care insurance people are doing at town hall >>>>>>>> meetings >>>>>>>> across the country.
>>>>>>> And the UNION THUGS are as pure as the driven snow! >>>>>>> Yeah, and the Sun revolves around the Earth, >>>>>>> correct,William?
>>>>>> Did you not understand his point? Is that why you chose not to dispute >>>>>> it?
>>>>>> Loki
>>>>>> Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned >>>>>> arguments,
>>>>> As if yours also aren't flip enough, and your undying >>>>> loyalty >>>>>to those wonderful Democrats who went merrily along with Bush's >>>>>war-lies--proves they are just as dumb as he was. >>>>> You also are so naive and trusting of these gentle, >>>>> selfless >>>>>politicians you routinely vote for again-and-again-and-yet-again,, if >>>>>one >>>>>of >>>>>them told you to bend over to pick up a wallet on April 1, you'd do it.
>>>>>> which is why so many libertarians are in >>>>>> important government positions.
>>>>> You are so biased against libertarians and trust >>>>> Government >>>>>(and those awesome Democrats) so much than you care about LIBERTY >>>>>itself, >>>>>you can't even defend the current crop of wonderful pols we already have >>>>>had >>>>>for decades that think only of our well-being, and wouldn't dream of >>>>>ripping-us-off in their latest power-play health-takeover scheme or >>>>>dreaming >>>>>of another war they can get us into so they can pass more PATRIOT Acts >>>>>and >>>>>other "laws" that only revoke our precious liberties. >>>>> You love these pols and the great job they are doing so >>>>>damn much, why don't you volunteer to go fight in Franistan (or whatever >>>>>the >>>>>name of the joint is that is only getting worse the longer the U.S. >>>>>armies >>>>>are there), or in the Republic of Iraq the U.S. 'liberated' in 2003!
>>>> Had you been paying attention, I have NEVER supported the war in Iraq. >>>> From the beginning I said it was a hoax and history has proven me >>>> correct.
>>> Oh, well, not all Dem.'s are that bad--just 90+% of them on most >>>things. >>> Everybody gets to be correct at least once in their life, and I >>>thank you for your one time.
>> You are more than welcome. And in the event that you are ever in the >> same hemisphere as "correct about something", I will be sure to salute >> you.
>> Loki
>> Libertarian truth: Children, criminals, death cultists, and you >> all have the same inalienable right to own any weaponry: >> conventional, chemical, biological, or nuclear.
> Another ridiculous lie that has never been true of >libertarians. > Typical of the neanderthal Government-spinners who can't see >past Government as the source of all that is good in the world.
I see. So you believe that it is appropriate for there to be laws as to who can own guns and what kind they can own.
Do the rest of your nut job friends know you feel this way?
Loki
Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned arguments, which is why so many libertarians are in important government positions.
> You can't seem to understand the three levels of > government in this country, and in many others. > There is the clowns and real power-grabbers in D.C.
There *IS* the clowns and real power-grabbers..????
Kinda like "Is our children learning?" <g.w.bush, potus>
[Default] On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:44:44 -0500, "A" <a...@att.net> magnanimously proffered:
> Oh, well, not all Dem.'s are that bad--just 90+% of them on most >things. > Everybody gets to be correct at least once in their life, and I >thank you for your one time.
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"They are supposed to have affairs only with men (er, boys)? *Democrats* have the affairs with women. Unless you are a Democrat woman and *then* you have them with men."
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:32:22 -0500, "A" <a...@att.net> wrote: >>When they got >> sick, they died. Well regulated militias were necessary to defend >> towns and villages in the event that Indians attacked.
> You're an in incredibly-dumb idiot to believe that fairy tale >about the Second Amendment having anything to do with Indians, or even with >hunting or sport shooting! It had *everything* to do with self-defense >against the people's worst enemy: their own (Federal) Government. BTW, the >Ninth Amendment by itself would also cover the People's inherent and >God-given right to keep and bear arms, even if there *wasn't* a Second >Amendment!
Right. And the first thirteen words were inserted, repeat THE FIRST 13 words just because the Amendment was too short with out them.
You remain the village idiot. Of St. Louis.
BTW... If you are wondering why I didn't respond to the rest of your post, it is because I didn't bother to read it.
Loki
Libertarian truth: Children, criminals, death cultists, and you all have the same inalienable right to own any weaponry: conventional, chemical, biological, or nuclear.
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