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Jack Denver  
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 More options 20 Oct, 00:55
Newsgroups: alt.horology
From: "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:55:16 -0400
Local: Tues 20 Oct 2009 00:55
Subject: Oldest depiction of a watch found
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8313893.stm

From around 1560.  It appears quite recognizable as a (single-handed, rather
thick) pocket watch, believed to have been made in Germany and owned by a
Medici prince.  The glass crystal does not appear to be a feature yet -
rather the open face is guarded by a flip open grill (though it appears that
there are enough cutouts that you would be able to tell the time even
without opening the grill, not unlike that seen on some trench watches).


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GregS  
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 More options 20 Oct, 21:03
Newsgroups: alt.horology
From: zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:03:35 GMT
Local: Tues 20 Oct 2009 21:03
Subject: Re: Oldest depiction of a watch found

In article <307Dm.31913$yM3.22...@newsfe05.iad>, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8313893.stm

>From around 1560.  It appears quite recognizable as a (single-handed, rather
>thick) pocket watch, believed to have been made in Germany and owned by a
>Medici prince.  The glass crystal does not appear to be a feature yet -
>rather the open face is guarded by a flip open grill (though it appears that
>there are enough cutouts that you would be able to tell the time even
>without opening the grill, not unlike that seen on some trench watches).

I can tell its a fake.

greg


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GregS  
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 More options 20 Oct, 21:04
Newsgroups: alt.horology
From: zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:04:22 GMT
Local: Tues 20 Oct 2009 21:04
Subject: Re: Oldest depiction of a watch found

In article <hbl50f$32...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
>In article <307Dm.31913$yM3.22...@newsfe05.iad>, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8313893.stm

>>From around 1560.  It appears quite recognizable as a (single-handed, rather
>>thick) pocket watch, believed to have been made in Germany and owned by a
>>Medici prince.  The glass crystal does not appear to be a feature yet -
>>rather the open face is guarded by a flip open grill (though it appears that
>>there are enough cutouts that you would be able to tell the time even
>>without opening the grill, not unlike that seen on some trench watches).

>I can tell its a fake.

I'm meaning the watch is a fake.

greg


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dAz  
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 More options 21 Oct, 01:44
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From: dAz <d...@zipp.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:44:07 +1100
Local: Wed 21 Oct 2009 01:44
Subject: Re: Oldest depiction of a watch found

Jack Denver wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8313893.stm

>  From around 1560.  It appears quite recognizable as a (single-handed,
> rather thick) pocket watch, believed to have been made in Germany and
> owned by a Medici prince.  The glass crystal does not appear to be a
> feature yet - rather the open face is guarded by a flip open grill
> (though it appears that there are enough cutouts that you would be able
> to tell the time even without opening the grill, not unlike that seen on
> some trench watches).

well seeing that pocket watches has been around since 1510 thanks to
Peter Henlein, be no reason why this watch would not have been made some
50 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlbVRnFznhw


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Jack Denver  
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 More options 21 Oct, 16:03
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From: "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:03:08 -0400
Local: Wed 21 Oct 2009 16:03
Subject: Re: Oldest depiction of a watch found
No reason, and yet no other depictions appear during those 50 years. Watches
at that time were extremely rare, and having your portrait painted holding a
watch and having that painting survive for 500 years is even rarer.

"dAz" <d...@zipp.org> wrote in message

news:hbllgq$hhh$1@news.eternal-september.org...


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Jack Denver  
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 More options 21 Oct, 16:05
Newsgroups: alt.horology
From: "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:05:44 -0400
Local: Wed 21 Oct 2009 16:05
Subject: Re: Oldest depiction of a watch found

"GregS" <zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message

news:hbl50f$32q$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...

"Made in China" written on the dial is the giveaway. You're probably right
that the 1st fake watch appeared soon after the 1st real watch.

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