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Thomas  
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 More options 7 Nov, 16:30
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
From: "Thomas" <whate...@whatever.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:30:18 -0800
Local: Sat 7 Nov 2009 16:30
Subject: Serious Or Not?
I really like music theory and I found this on a music theory forum.  Kinda
curious as to what you guys think.  Im still trying to figure out if the
poster is even serious...Here it is:

      Dear wholenote community,
      I was having a discussion in another forum, on a planet far, far away
about my generic chord naming system and I felt I did such a good job
explaining it, and it was so much work to type it all up, that I should also
post it here so I can get your
      feedback as well.

      If nothing else I can at least get all beat up by some of the members
over here who like to make all their contributions negative. Sometimes we
all just need a good verbal flogging, right? No, if you're only going to be
negative for the sake of being a jerk, maybe you can just stay out of
it...like...whoever that Andy Fake guy is, right? That poser can just take a
hike if he's still around.

      Anyway, to better understand this quote I'm about to paste below, it
would probably benefit you to visit my site and watch the Major Scale module
found here:

      The difference between my naming system and the one with the roman
numerals is that the "one chord" in roman numerals isn't always the same
family member chord. The I chord isn't always Ma (Mama). If it were, then it
would have satisfied my needs. The closest thing I could come up with from
the preexisting world of material was to simply call a chord "Lydian" or
"Ionian". And that's what I did for a long time. However, I found that my
student's had a hard time remembering those names. So, I started trying to
come up with some kind of set of names that would attach the information
into their brains a little better...kind of like a science student would use
"My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" to memorize the 9
planets (At least they would long ago before the debate concerning the 9th
planet got all fired up). So, I eventually came up with Ma, Yb, Ob, Ys, Os,
Pa, Ab. But the power behind it doesn't stop there or it would only be a
tiny bit better than just calling chords by their greek names (Ionian,
Dorian, etc.). But before I shed light on the hidden power, let me add that
calling them by these more generic names is very much like what we do in
real life. I have a Papa/Dad but he actually has a real name, Chris. So, in
terms of these chords, they all have relationship names, but they also have
their real greek names.

      Now, let's talk about why calling them Ma, Pa, etc. has power. I'll
give you two or three little tips I give my students when I try to get them
to learn their positions with respect to one another on the fretboard.
First, I tell them to imagine that the family was once a plain,
simple/ordinary family that didn't include the Adopted Boy. So, imagine them
all posing for a photograph from left to right. We have Ma, Yb, Ob, Ys, Os,
Pa. Notice that we have the two parents on the outside, sort of posing as
end-caps to the family? That should be easy enough to remember. Now as far
as how far apart each of them are from one another, I often tell them to
just remember that they are each two frets apart except for one pair: Ob and
Ys. Their roots are only one fret apart. How I explain this is by telling
the make-believe story about the order in which they were born. First Os was
born and, for whatever reason she's close to Pa...she's a "daddy's girl".
(That's how I get them to remember that the girl sister pair are over on the
Pa side of things) Two years later, Ys was born. Then, just a year later Ob,
was born and two years after that Yb, who is the youngest and gets all of
Ma's attention...he's a "Mama's boy". Now, if you consider what we call the
"middle-child-syndrome" you can find reason for the two middle children Ob
and Ys to be very close (only one fret apart). The reason is Daddy's girl
gets plenty of attention from Pa...Mama's boy gets it from Ma...so the two
middle children are very close to each other...they've got to stick together
and give each other attention. Are you with me so far?

      The next step in learning to appreciate the metaphor of the family
names is to imagine that after many years of raising these kids, Ma gets the
wild notion that they should enrich their family situation by adopting a
boy. Now, before I bring him into the picture, I want you to fully
appreciate the shape of the chords in the family without him. Notice that
(as long as you just play the basic 1-3-5 chord forms) all the girl chords
have the same shape as Ma, while all the boys look exactly like Pa. That
would conspire with the notion that they are all from the same genetics,
right? Well, now you bring in Adopted Boy and, while he is surely a boy,
with his minor 3rd, he has that flatted 5th and therefore looks nothing like
the rest of the family...he comes from different genetics. Also, notice his
relative position with respect to the rest of the family. Where does his
root sit? He sits right between Pa and Ma, as if they are posing for a
picture with him all on their own, without the kids, if you can see that.
Notice that he is only one fret from Ma, the nurturer (whose idea it was to
adopt him), while he is two frets from Pa, this disciplinarian (who might
still be having second thoughts as to whether this was a good idea or not).

      Now, before I go on, let me clarify, as I have plenty of times before,
that this is not an opportunity to bash adopted kids or to try to magnify
the stereotypes that I have obviously been exposed to concerning them. I
once had a lady who explained to me that it would have been more accurate to
have named him a "step-child". She said most kids who actually get adopted
end up in very good homes where they are loved and wanted, after all, their
parents willingly chose to take them on...whereas step children often end up
with a step parent who might not necessarily care for them as they are only
there because of their feelings toward the other parent. Point taken...I
agree...and it would further strengthen the idea that he is clinging to Ma,
because maybe the Pa is a real jerk. I know I didn't care for my step dad at
all and the feeling between us was clearly mutual. But, as I explained to
her, I have already registered my little book with the Library of Congress
with Ab as the character name...I have built tons of material referring to
him as such, so I'm sort of stuck with Ab.

      Okay, that was a lot of typing. I'm starting to feel a bit frazzled
with all of it...but I think I pretty well covered the "intro" level lesson
on the powerful value of referring to the family names. If you're ready to
move on to the next step, I'll have to spend some time talking about Ab as
the "gateway to Harmonic Minor" which is where the power (in my opinion)
really gets hot. I need to get to bed now, so I'll save that for another
night."


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one_riff_brian  
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 More options 8 Nov, 00:43
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
From: one_riff_brian <brianhughe...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 00:43
Subject: Re: Serious Or Not?
On Nov 7, 4:30 pm, "Thomas" <whate...@whatever.com> wrote:
> I really like music theory and I found this on a music theory forum.  Kinda
> curious as to what you guys think.  Im still trying to figure out if the
> poster is even serious...Here it is:

>       Dear wholenote community,

<snip>

Bizarre. I was lost by line 3, but that's pretty much par for the
course for musical theory. Root, octave, and 11 notes in between.
Inversions below the root. Exotic stuff above the octave. What
combination do I play? How complex does this ever have to be?

How would you reform it?


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David Raleigh Arnold  
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 More options 8 Nov, 01:28
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
From: David Raleigh Arnold <d...@openguitar.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:28:35 GMT
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 01:28
Subject: Re: Serious Or Not?

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:30:18 -0800, Thomas wrote:
> I really like music theory and I found this on a music theory forum.
> Kinda curious as to what you guys think.  Im still trying to figure out
> if the poster is even serious...Here it is:

Anything that nuts would be serious if it were not
intended to be funny.  daveA

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intermediate guitar solos. One best scale set for all guitarists.
http://www.openguitar.com/scalescomparison.html ::: plus new and
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 More options 8 Nov, 02:33
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From: ed s <esham...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:33:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 02:33
Subject: Re: Serious Or Not?
On Nov 7, 10:30 am, "Thomas" <whate...@whatever.com> wrote:

Simplest is I ,ii , iii, IV,V,vi , vii --  done - ed s.

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