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Global dimming and ice age predictions after WW2 contradict global warming theory
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From: Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu>
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Subject: Re: Global dimming and ice age predictions after WW2 contradict
global warming theory
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
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On Aug 12, 3:06 pm, Steve Wallis
<revolutionarysocialistst...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Note: Google Groups now says that it does not support sending messages
> to sci.environment, despite the fact that I sent my previous messages
> to it; hence I am only posting this message to the other four groups.
>
That was strange yesterday, but sci.environment is back up today.
> On 11 Aug, 15:20, "V for Vendicar"
>
> <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Peter Muehlbauer" <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote
> > > TSI is significantly involved in temperature increase and decrease.
>
> > How sad for you that the total energy output from the sun (TSI) has
> > decreased over the last 20-30 years as the earth's temperature has been
> > rising.
>
> Well, I just googled "total energy output from the sun TSI" (without
> quotes) and the first item that came up was a March 2003 SPACE.COM
> article entitled "Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling
> Global Warming" (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/
> sun_output_030320.html).
>
> The first paragraph says "In what could be the simplest explanation
> for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's
> radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late
> 1970s.", which rather contradicts your assertion.
>
And as journal articles have pointed out, this is not sufficient to
cause the current warming.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
> What is perhaps more significant is a graph showing "Northern
> Hemisphere Land Temperature and Solar Cycle", with an "Astrophysical
> Journal" source and showing temperatures clearly decreasing over a
> period of 30 years or so (quite possibly 1943-74 which Fran
> mentioned).
And the correlation ends in 1974.
> The graphs in the Wikpedia pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Global_dimming andhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_temperature_record)
> show cooling from 1940-50, particularly looking at 5-year averages,
> and no noticeable cooling in the subsequent decades. Those Wikipedia
> graphs are clearly a fabrication; I can't see how an ice age could
> seriously have been predicted in the 1970s if it hadn't actually got
> colder in the previous 20 years!
>
> Does anybody know of any graphs for southern hemisphere temperatures,
> which I have heard haven't actually increased when northern hemisphere
> ones have?
>
> Maybe I haven't browsed as many science websites as others, mainly
> getting information from mainstream media and New Scientist (which
> incidentally had a small item recently predicting cooling over the
> next decade!) However, it is difficult to distinguish disinformation
> from the truth with big vested interests at stake, so I prefer to put
> my views on public forums such as these and let both sides put their
> views forward and we'll see who wins the argument. I'm perfectly
> prepared to change my position and support the global warming
> consensus if there's strong enough evidence for it.
>
> --
> Steve Wallis (Glasgow, Scotland)
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