<revolutionarysocialistst...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Note: Google Groups now says that it does not support sending messages
> to sci.environment, despite the fact that I sent my previous messages
> to it; hence I am only posting this message to the other four groups.

> On 11 Aug, 15:20, "V for Vendicar"

> <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Peter Muehlbauer" <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote
> > > TSI is significantly involved in temperature increase and decrease.

> >   How sad for you that the total energy output from the sun (TSI) has
> > decreased over the last 20-30 years as the earth's temperature has been
> > rising.

> Well, I just googled "total energy output from the sun TSI" (without
> quotes) and the first item that came up was a March 2003 SPACE.COM
> article entitled "Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling
> Global Warming" (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/
> sun_output_030320.html).

> The first paragraph says "In what could be the simplest explanation
> for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's
> radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late
> 1970s.", which rather contradicts your assertion.

> What is perhaps more significant is a graph showing "Northern
> Hemisphere Land Temperature and Solar Cycle", with an "Astrophysical
> Journal" source and showing temperatures clearly decreasing over a
> period of 30 years or so (quite possibly 1943-74 which Fran
> mentioned).

>  The graphs in the Wikpedia pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Global_dimming andhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_temperature_record)
> show cooling from 1940-50, particularly looking at 5-year averages,
> and no noticeable cooling in the subsequent decades. Those Wikipedia
> graphs are clearly a fabrication; I can't see how an ice age could
> seriously have been predicted in the 1970s if it hadn't actually got
> colder in the previous 20 years!

> Does anybody know of any graphs for southern hemisphere temperatures,
> which I have heard haven't actually increased when northern hemisphere
> ones have?

> Maybe I haven't browsed as many science websites as others, mainly
> getting information from mainstream media and New Scientist (which
> incidentally had a small item recently predicting cooling over the
> next decade!) However, it is difficult to distinguish disinformation
> from the truth with big vested interests at stake, so I prefer to put
> my views on public forums such as these and let both sides put their
> views forward and we'll see who wins the argument. I'm perfectly
> prepared to change my position and support the global warming
> consensus if there's strong enough evidence for it.

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