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Steve Wallis  
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 More options 12 Aug 2008, 20:06
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky, uk.politics.environment, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.mideast
From: Steve Wallis <revolutionarysocialistst...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues 12 Aug 2008 20:06
Subject: Re: Global dimming and ice age predictions after WW2 contradict global warming theory
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On 11 Aug, 15:20, "V for Vendicar"

<Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Peter Muehlbauer" <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote
> > TSI is significantly involved in temperature increase and decrease.

>   How sad for you that the total energy output from the sun (TSI) has
> decreased over the last 20-30 years as the earth's temperature has been
> rising.

Well, I just googled "total energy output from the sun TSI" (without
quotes) and the first item that came up was a March 2003 SPACE.COM
article entitled "Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling
Global Warming" (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/
sun_output_030320.html).

The first paragraph says "In what could be the simplest explanation
for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's
radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late
1970s.", which rather contradicts your assertion.

What is perhaps more significant is a graph showing "Northern
Hemisphere Land Temperature and Solar Cycle", with an "Astrophysical
Journal" source and showing temperatures clearly decreasing over a
period of 30 years or so (quite possibly 1943-74 which Fran
mentioned). The graphs in the Wikpedia pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Global_dimming and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_temperature_record)
show cooling from 1940-50, particularly looking at 5-year averages,
and no noticeable cooling in the subsequent decades. Those Wikipedia
graphs are clearly a fabrication; I can't see how an ice age could
seriously have been predicted in the 1970s if it hadn't actually got
colder in the previous 20 years!

Does anybody know of any graphs for southern hemisphere temperatures,
which I have heard haven't actually increased when northern hemisphere
ones have?

Maybe I haven't browsed as many science websites as others, mainly
getting information from mainstream media and New Scientist (which
incidentally had a small item recently predicting cooling over the
next decade!) However, it is difficult to distinguish disinformation
from the truth with big vested interests at stake, so I prefer to put
my views on public forums such as these and let both sides put their
views forward and we'll see who wins the argument. I'm perfectly
prepared to change my position and support the global warming
consensus if there's strong enough evidence for it.

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