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  <title type="text">alt.global-warming Google Group</title>
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  A discussion of the problem of global warming
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  <updated>2009-11-08T19:28:20Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Tom P</name>
  <email>werot...@freent.dd</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T19:28:20Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/e10a88ad4f61b310?show_docid=e10a88ad4f61b310</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  Peter the Windmill doesn&#39;t know that SciAm is a monthly periodical with &lt;br&gt; a history going back over 150 years, lol.
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  <author>
  <name>Claudius Denk</name>
  <email>claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T19:24:40Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6caeba069a76ed18/69ec3005f5b119d8?show_docid=69ec3005f5b119d8</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6caeba069a76ed18/69ec3005f5b119d8?show_docid=69ec3005f5b119d8"/>
  <title type="text">Re: How the right wing Big Lie techique worked in global warming</title>
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  It&#39;s an urban myth supported by bubblegum research and Peter Pan &lt;br&gt; science. &lt;br&gt; There is no debate. There&#39;s just propaganda. AGW advocates refuse to &lt;br&gt; debate. They just produce press releases. &lt;br&gt; What part of right wing think tanks are you more opposed to? That &lt;br&gt; they are right wing or that they think? &lt;br&gt; You can&#39;t fool all the people all the time.
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  <author>
  <name>leonard78sp@gmail.com</name>
  <email>leonard7...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T19:20:16Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6c0246ef162d572e/3b4a59dacb87bc2b?show_docid=3b4a59dacb87bc2b</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6c0246ef162d572e/3b4a59dacb87bc2b?show_docid=3b4a59dacb87bc2b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Global Temperature Updates - October 2009</title>
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  <author>
  <name>leonard78sp@gmail.com</name>
  <email>leonard7...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T19:19:34Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6c0246ef162d572e/645331970377f84a?show_docid=645331970377f84a</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6c0246ef162d572e/645331970377f84a?show_docid=645331970377f84a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Global Temperature Updates - October 2009</title>
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  •• That is true!! But it is not what you think &lt;br&gt; •• ROTFLMAO &lt;br&gt; Cooling wouldn&#39;t cause a massive glacial melt &lt;br&gt; What &#39;glacial melt down&#39;????? &lt;br&gt; •• Three months of every year polar ice melts &lt;br&gt; and then builds up again &lt;br&gt; — — &lt;br&gt; . In real science the burden of proof is always &lt;br&gt; . on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Beam Me Up Scotty</name>
  <email>then-destroy-everyth...@talk-n-dog.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T19:02:55Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5888056d2fbe5b69/a3b9f965c5945c6d?show_docid=a3b9f965c5945c6d</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5888056d2fbe5b69/a3b9f965c5945c6d?show_docid=a3b9f965c5945c6d"/>
  <title type="text">FIRE YOUR DOCTOR if they are members of the AMA &gt;&gt;OR&lt;&lt; This is Affordable Housing bankruptcy revisited</title>
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  FIRE YOUR DOCTOR if they are members of the AMA &amp;gt;&amp;gt;OR&amp;lt;&amp;lt; This is &lt;br&gt; Affordable Housing bankruptcy revisited &lt;br&gt; The AMA is supporting this &amp;quot;affordable health care bill&amp;quot; that ignores &lt;br&gt; your constitutional rights. You need to find a Doctor that does not hate &lt;br&gt; your constitutional rights. And while you are at it find 220 new
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Earl Evleth</name>
  <email>evl...@wanadoo.fr</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T18:55:12Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/1d93fc39bbbadbf9?show_docid=1d93fc39bbbadbf9</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/1d93fc39bbbadbf9?show_docid=1d93fc39bbbadbf9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  On 8/11/09 19:28, in article 7logtmF3etrk...@mid.individual .net, &amp;quot;Falcon&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; I am not in a professional position, nor is anybody who posts on this &lt;br&gt; group to make that judgment. The article has been submitted for &lt;br&gt; review, those who review it are in a position. &lt;br&gt; If your comments are valid the referee will bring them up.
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  <author>
  <name>Sirius</name>
  <email>sir...@provider.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T18:55:37Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/4852016bc9f1e502?show_docid=4852016bc9f1e502</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/4852016bc9f1e502?show_docid=4852016bc9f1e502"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  Maybe, maybe not. &lt;br&gt; The controversy between AWGers and non AGWers is far from being settled, &lt;br&gt; and many AWGer never admitted the critics against Mann&#39;s hockey curve. &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/09/hey-ya-mal/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; So along comes Steve McIntyre, self-styled slayer of hockey sticks, who
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Patriot Games</name>
  <email>patr...@america.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T18:55:25Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/b826abaaa44eaa3a/2305157b35538091?show_docid=2305157b35538091</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/b826abaaa44eaa3a/2305157b35538091?show_docid=2305157b35538091"/>
  <title type="text">Re: We Should Crack Down On Muslims Because of Hasan, Then We Need To Get The Irish American Catholics Because Of What Tim McVeigh Did - Sean Hannity as Told To Bill O&#39;Reilly</title>
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  On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:30:22 -0800 (PST), &amp;quot;Kickin&#39; Ass and Takin&#39; &lt;br&gt; I knew that, Old Hag. &lt;br&gt; Who is the Proven Liar? YOU... &lt;br&gt; Not me. &lt;br&gt; If YOU think McVeigh was a practicing Catholic then YOU MAY PROVE ME &lt;br&gt; WRONG BY CITING IT. &lt;br&gt; FAILURE TO CITE that McVeigh was a practicing Catholic IS PROOF THAT &lt;br&gt; YOU ARE THE LIAR.
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  <author>
  <name>Falcon</name>
  <email>fal...@invalid.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T18:28:01Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/ae23888d27a51971?show_docid=ae23888d27a51971</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/ae23888d27a51971?show_docid=ae23888d27a51971"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  Don&#39;t you find it at all suspect? The authors did not address the Yamal &lt;br&gt; issue which used by so many similar papers over the last nine years. They &lt;br&gt; simply ignored the incredibly small sample size and used it anyway. (Melvin &lt;br&gt; showed that Yamal creates a hockey stick out of a sample with no signal and
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Claudius Denk</name>
  <email>claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:49:26Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/ffb247385cd9c364/626c95de5bc0b63e?show_docid=626c95de5bc0b63e</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/ffb247385cd9c364/626c95de5bc0b63e?show_docid=626c95de5bc0b63e"/>
  <title type="text">Global Disastrification</title>
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  &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/NarfBiscuits#p/c/9AC62B3627B4E2CF/1/tUZRjHK8rQs&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Earl Evleth</name>
  <email>evl...@wanadoo.fr</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:39:52Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6caeba069a76ed18/75397090b19a966c?show_docid=75397090b19a966c</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/6caeba069a76ed18/75397090b19a966c?show_docid=75397090b19a966c"/>
  <title type="text">How the right wing Big Lie techique worked in global warming</title>
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  First, global warming is an established FACT, the only &lt;br&gt; area of debate is with what causes it. &lt;br&gt; But the right in America, powered by right wing &amp;quot;think tanks&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; which distorts the facts have moved the polls on this &lt;br&gt; fact. &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; In April of 2008, 71% of those polled believed there was solid
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Earl Evleth</name>
  <email>evl...@wanadoo.fr</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:38:10Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/62ce0b735ccae632?show_docid=62ce0b735ccae632</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/62ce0b735ccae632?show_docid=62ce0b735ccae632"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  On 8/11/09 18:09, in article 7localF3e4ag...@mid.individual .net, &amp;quot;Falcon&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; Suspect by whom?
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Beam Me Up Scotty</name>
  <email>then-destroy-everyth...@talk-n-dog.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:17:38Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/8b6d58e6be53e295/f427ee5198c4deed?show_docid=f427ee5198c4deed</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/8b6d58e6be53e295/f427ee5198c4deed?show_docid=f427ee5198c4deed"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Obama Still breaking Promises &gt;&gt;OR&lt;&lt; give it all to the Ocean Gods before Government gets it</title>
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  With my wealth that you planned to steal.... &lt;br&gt; That means you will have to pay for your own health care. &lt;br&gt; NOTHING pleases me more.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Falcon</name>
  <email>fal...@invalid.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:09:29Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/ca1204fbfa7b316a?show_docid=ca1204fbfa7b316a</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/5d1e41bc10fb2fb5/ca1204fbfa7b316a?show_docid=ca1204fbfa7b316a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Novel Analysis Confirms Climate &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; Graph</title>
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  Not really. Tingley and Huybers 2009 looks more like a rehash of already &lt;br&gt; suspect material. &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~tingley/mean_variance.pdf&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <author>
  <name>kdthrge@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>kdth...@earthlink.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T17:04:50Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/696f9970acb4d5b6/84dee626f2d750af?show_docid=84dee626f2d750af</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/696f9970acb4d5b6/84dee626f2d750af?show_docid=84dee626f2d750af"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Is Ethane a dangerous greenhouse gas ?</title>
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  Wrong. I can quantify. You do not even attempt it. &lt;br&gt; It is very clear that the quantity of energy reaching the earth at &lt;br&gt; mean orbital radius, is ~1370 Wm-2, from a temerature of about 5780K. &lt;br&gt; Refer to my calculations in my 3rd post back. Simple Stefan&#39;s law and &lt;br&gt; inverse square law. So you show me pertinent quantification for the
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