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 More options 5 Nov, 16:04
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From: Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:04:31 +0100
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 16:04
Subject: November Arctic sea ice: Warm winds keep ice cover well below average
I had noticed this myself since I look at the web site
which carry this information.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/daily.html

also the Antarctica sea ice is a little low for the period
but it has not shown over the years any loss and is a different
situation than found in the Arctic.

****

see http://tinyurl.com/ybg3gqb
for the figure.

November Arctic sea ice: Warm winds keep ice cover well below average
November 4, 5:56 PMDallas Weather ExaminerSteve LaNore

Arctic sea ice growth faced stiff resistance from nature in October, says
the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). Intense low pressure worked
to generate strong southerly winds over the Arctic Ocean and Siberia,
keeping ice from forming.

Temperatures were also as much as 10 degrees above average during portions
of the month.

A study mentioned on the NSIDC website conducted at the University of
Melbourne in Australia suggests that less summer sea ice cover can lead to a
feedback loop: warmer water (less ice) provides more energy for storms; the
winds from these storms delay ice formation during the fall, and so the
cycle deepens.

This pattern retards ice growth but at the same time increases precipitation
(snowfall) which accumulates over land areas. This makes for greater cold
air reservoirs later in the winter. One might conclude this would lead to
more cold air outbreaks in the U.S. and Canada, but the data is far too
sketchy and recent to draw that conclusion.

For now, the arctic sea ice pack hovers just above the 2006/2007 record lows
for various parts of November (2006 was the record low sea ice year for the
last two weeks of the month; 2007 for the first two weeks).

Ice growth is expected to accelerate now that all of the Arctic Ocean is in
continuous darkness for the next two months. Whether the unusual weather
pattern will continue to interfere is unknown.


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 More options 6 Nov, 04:01
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From: "b o n o" <s...@t.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:01:25 +1100
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 04:01
Subject: Re: November Arctic sea ice: Warm winds keep ice cover well belowaverage
Arctic Melting More Rapidly Than Expected

Urgent Action On Climate Change Required.

2 May 2008

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the
Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports
from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a
radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in
the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as
far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters
showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been
replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at
many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast
shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north,
are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

A RealClimate blogger?

No, that was the US Weather Bureau in 1922.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/pr...

Warmest Regards

Bon z0

"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville


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 More options 10 Nov, 21:45
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From: "sr" <solo...@uninets.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:45:43 -0500
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 21:45
Subject: Re: November Arctic sea ice: Warm winds keep ice cover well belowaverage
Third coldest Oct. in 3 years. Maine, we had 2 weeks of summer

"b o n o" <s...@t.com> wrote in message news:4af39f92$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...


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