Message from discussion CotW - The Silmarillion - Ch 22 - Of the Ruin of Doriath

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Subject: Re: CotW - The Silmarillion - Ch 22 - Of the Ruin of Doriath
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 03:56:50 +0100
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"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamg...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> - What would have happened had Turgon told Thorondor to bring Húrin to 
> Gondolin again, as indeed he later wished he had?

   The spies of Morgoth knew or guessed that Húrin sought Gondolin.  Had 
Thorondor picked up Húrin before he came near, and before he cried before 
the barren cliff-face, it is possible that they would have been unable to 
learn the region in which Turgon dwelt.  Had Thorondor done so after Húrin 
cried out, they would have learnt not only that which they did, but also 
guessed at Thorondor's connection with Turgon.  This might have added to 
Morgoth's profit from the affair.  Otherwise it does not seem to me that the 
fate of Gondolin would have been much affected.
   As for Húrin's fate, his end would presumably have been less bitter.  He 
would not have met Morwen.
   He would also not have brought the Nauglamir to Doriath, and probably the 
slaying of Thingol by the Dwarves would have been avoided.  Melian not 
departing, the Girdle would have remained intact, and the sons of Fëanor 
would not have been able to make a direct assault as they did in the second 
sack of Menegroth.  But possibly that dreadful oath would have found another 
way to bring war and ruin to Doriath.

> - Inadvertently revealing to Morgoth's spies the region where Gondolin 
> was, is described as "the first evil that the freedom of Húrin achieved". 
> What were the later evils that Húrin's freedom caused?

   I would guess that this must be the bringing of the Nauglamir to Doriath. 
Though this could scarcely have been one of the evils planned or hoped for 
by Morgoth.

> - The "babes in the wood" story is a staple of legends from many cultures. 
> But here it seems there is no happy ending. What happened to Eluréd and 
> Elurín?

   Nothing more is recorded of their fates.  Had they survived, heirs to 
Díor and to Thingol before him, it would have been recorded.  Presumably 
they died of hunger and thirst.

Hraban.