janice <janicemarylou...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 20, 3:06 pm, Scooter <em...@invalid.com> wrote: >> BTW, I thought he looked extremely thin (hollow cheeked), on the Jonathan >> Ross Show. > Thank you for saying something Scooter. I think he looks EXTREMELY thin > too, has for quite a while now. And don't they usually say the TV camera > ADDS about 10 lbs.? Suzanne said last night on shopNBC that she will be > on the show once a month. I will try calling in and asking your > question. Maybe we should all try. (?)
I'll pass.
> When I met her at B's L.A. show a while back, (she sat behind me) she > was VERY friendly. So is her husband. She's a very nice person... just > can't take her alternative medicine rants. > Janice
I met her at one of her book signings, and she was very nice. But she seems to be a tad much when it comes to self-promotion of her odd-ball views. Asking people to buy her Thighmaster is one thing. Advising people on how to treat life-threatening disease is quite another. And her insensitive blast at Patrick Swayze, especially so soon after his death, was telling. But I guess it's that "celebrity bubble" thing again.
> janice <janicemarylou...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sep 20, 3:06 pm, Scooter <em...@invalid.com> wrote: > >> BTW, I thought he looked extremely thin (hollow cheeked), on the Jonathan > >> Ross Show. > > Thank you for saying something Scooter. I think he looks EXTREMELY thin > > too, has for quite a while now. And don't they usually say the TV camera > > ADDS about 10 lbs.? Suzanne said last night on shopNBC that she will be > > on the show once a month. I will try calling in and asking your > > question. Maybe we should all try. (?)
> I'll pass.
> > When I met her at B's L.A. show a while back, (she sat behind me) she > > was VERY friendly. So is her husband. She's a very nice person... just > > can't take her alternative medicine rants. > > Janice
> I met her at one of her book signings, and she was very nice. But she seems > to be a tad much when it comes to self-promotion of her odd-ball views. > Asking people to buy her Thighmaster is one thing. Advising people on how to > treat life-threatening disease is quite another. And her insensitive blast > at Patrick Swayze, especially so soon after his death, was telling. But I > guess it's that "celebrity bubble" thing again.
> -- > Scooter
I TOTALLY agree with everything you are saying. Can't believe she would comment about Patrick Swayze. I had to go back and look up the articles after it was mentioned here. Missed all that when it was going down. Wonder when snake-oil will join her product line on shopNBC? J
On Sep 20, 5:31 pm, coversnomore <a.barr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Someone should call into SHOP NBC and ask Suzanne what she thinks of > her buddy Barry smoking!
Boy, isn't that the truth!!! That is horrible toxins inhaled into the body. The thing about addictions are that you can cry, beg, plead and ask someone you love to stop and until they can see it for themselves or want it for themselves, you might as well rage at the wind. My guess is that Suzanne has had the smoking talk with Barry.
I've lost a Grandfather and a good friend to lung cancer - and now one of my immediate family is battling it. It is so painful watching all this and fearing the loss or the bad days that might be ahead. I've tried talking to good friends that smoke about all this experience right now and get this wall put up in front and warning statement. They don't want to hear.
>> Someone should call into SHOP NBC and ask Suzanne what she thinks of >> her buddy Barry smoking!
> Boy, isn't that the truth!!! That is horrible toxins inhaled into the > body. The thing about addictions are that you can cry, beg, plead and > ask someone you love to stop and until they can see it for themselves > or want it for themselves, you might as well rage at the wind. My > guess is that Suzanne has had the smoking talk with Barry.
> I've lost a Grandfather and a good friend to lung cancer - and now one > of my immediate family is battling it. It is so painful watching all > this and fearing the loss or the bad days that might be ahead. I've > tried talking to good friends that smoke about all this experience > right now and get this wall put up in front and warning statement. > They don't want to hear.
Maybe when Barry starts coughing up blood he'll decide to stop. That happened to my father-in-law. After tests, they found a cancerous tumor, removed his lung, and he lived another 20+ years. And he never smoked again.
It's true that the person has to decide to stop. It took me three tries, but I haven't smoked in about 35 years. The difference in Barry's case is, his voice is his livelihood, his career, his money-maker. Civilians don't want to hear him croaking through a show, and won't buy albums if his voice is trashed. You'd think he'd take better care of it. His decision to start smoking again seems sort of self-destructive.
BTW, if you think lung cancer is bad, the news gets worse. Tobacco is a major factor in 2/3 of pancreatic cancer cases. Spent too much time working in that department - you don't want to know how bad that is.
On Sep 21, 2:51 pm, Scooter <em...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Maybe when Barry starts coughing up blood he'll decide to stop. That > happened to my father-in-law. After tests, they found a cancerous tumor, > removed his lung, and he lived another 20+ years. And he never smoked again.
If you have damage and not enough lung capacity from emphysema, then surgery isn't an option. The stats we had were that would be for survival 5 years after treatment and the preferred route, but not enough lung capacity, so it's radiation/chemo route.
> It's true that the person has to decide to stop. It took me three tries, but > I haven't smoked in about 35 years. The difference in Barry's case is, his > voice is his livelihood, his career, his money-maker. Civilians don't want > to hear him croaking through a show, and won't buy albums if his voice is > trashed. You'd think he'd take better care of it. His decision to start > smoking again seems sort of self-destructive.
The world of celebrity certainly isn't exempt from self-destruction, is it? Here we are looking for the answers in people thrust into fame, but they are all really just human like the rest of us peons. :-)
I do wish Barry would cut the bad habits though - the smoking and whatever else he does to punish or torment himself with.
Jackie <jackilop...@gmail.com> wrote: > The world of celebrity certainly isn't exempt from self-destruction, > is it? Here we are looking for the answers in people thrust into > fame, but they are all really just human like the rest of us > peons. :-)
> I do wish Barry would cut the bad habits though - the smoking and > whatever else he does to punish or torment himself with.
You mean like the punishment and torment of Faniloonies? ;^)
> >> Someone should call into SHOP NBC and ask Suzanne what she thinks of > >> her buddy Barry smoking!
> > Boy, isn't that the truth!!! That is horrible toxins inhaled into the > > body. The thing about addictions are that you can cry, beg, plead and > > ask someone you love to stop and until they can see it for themselves > > or want it for themselves, you might as well rage at the wind. My > > guess is that Suzanne has had the smoking talk with Barry.
> > I've lost a Grandfather and a good friend to lung cancer - and now one > > of my immediate family is battling it. It is so painful watching all > > this and fearing the loss or the bad days that might be ahead. I've > > tried talking to good friends that smoke about all this experience > > right now and get this wall put up in front and warning statement. > > They don't want to hear.
> Maybe when Barry starts coughing up blood he'll decide to stop. That > happened to my father-in-law. After tests, they found a cancerous tumor, > removed his lung, and he lived another 20+ years. And he never smoked again.
> It's true that the person has to decide to stop. It took me three tries, but > I haven't smoked in about 35 years. The difference in Barry's case is, his > voice is his livelihood, his career, his money-maker. Civilians don't want > to hear him croaking through a show, and won't buy albums if his voice is > trashed. You'd think he'd take better care of it. His decision to start > smoking again seems sort of self-destructive.
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One other side effect of smoking is bladder cancer (another nasty disease). Nicotine is excreted in urine. So smokers can have their choice of ways to go - lung cancer, bladder cancer or pancreatic cancer. A real trifecta of badness.
As has already been said, pancreatic cancer is something you don't survive. Some patients who are diagnosed early and treated aggressively with all available and appropriate modalities may buy some extra time, but no one ever beats this disease. Randy Pausch ("The Last Lecture guy) also died of pancreatic cancer.
As for Ms. Somers, what she chooses to do to herself is one thing. To try and influence other people to take tons of vitamins and high colonics (or whatever else she espouses) is just downright irresponsible and dangerous.
> > >> Someone should call into SHOP NBC and ask Suzanne what she thinks of > > >> her buddy Barry smoking!
> > > Boy, isn't that the truth!!! That is horrible toxins inhaled into the > > > body. The thing about addictions are that you can cry, beg, plead and > > > ask someone you love to stop and until they can see it for themselves > > > or want it for themselves, you might as well rage at the wind. My > > > guess is that Suzanne has had the smoking talk with Barry.
> > > I've lost a Grandfather and a good friend to lung cancer - and now one > > > of my immediate family is battling it. It is so painful watching all > > > this and fearing the loss or the bad days that might be ahead. I've > > > tried talking to good friends that smoke about all this experience > > > right now and get this wall put up in front and warning statement. > > > They don't want to hear.
> > Maybe when Barry starts coughing up blood he'll decide to stop. That > > happened to my father-in-law. After tests, they found a cancerous tumor, > > removed his lung, and he lived another 20+ years. And he never smoked again.
> > It's true that the person has to decide to stop. It took me three tries, but > > I haven't smoked in about 35 years. The difference in Barry's case is, his > > voice is his livelihood, his career, his money-maker. Civilians don't want > > to hear him croaking through a show, and won't buy albums if his voice is > > trashed. You'd think he'd take better care of it. His decision to start > > smoking again seems sort of self-destructive.
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> One other side effect of smoking is bladder cancer (another nasty > disease). Nicotine is excreted in urine. So smokers can have their > choice of ways to go - lung cancer, bladder cancer or pancreatic > cancer. A real trifecta of badness.
> As has already been said, pancreatic cancer is something you don't > survive. Some patients who are diagnosed early and treated > aggressively with all available and appropriate modalities may buy > some extra time, but no one ever beats this disease. Randy Pausch > ("The Last Lecture guy) also died of pancreatic cancer.
> As for Ms. Somers, what she chooses to do to herself is one thing. To > try and influence other people to take tons of vitamins and high > colonics (or whatever else she espouses) is just downright > irresponsible and dangerous.- Hide quoted text -
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It's ok for other people encluding Suzanne to talk about their health regimines. But it's another thing to say the someone should have done things differently. Having didderent options avaiable to look at is a good thing. I'm sure Patrick, his doctor and specialists discussed every avaiable option that Patrick had open to him. There maybe some doctors and specialists who don't think Suzanne's way is the best or right way. Linda
> On Sep 19, 8:43 pm, coversnomore <a.barr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > DId you see Suzanne's comments on Patrick Swayze's death? I just > > cannot tolerate her passing herself off as an expert in the medical > > field. I really do not like her and cannot understand her friendship > > with Barry. Whatever....
> She chose a different route for her own cancer - and that is fine. > Saying something like this immediately after Swayze's death -- and > while there are people out there on chemo as part of their treatment > -- however, is upsetting. She doesn't have a medical degree and > doesn't have the right to make dangerous claims and is in a sense > yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded room and creating alarm and sensation > after a celebrity death and basically drawing attention to herself in > the process.
> The time for her to show her concern or to speak against chemo isn't > then and there. If she wants to write books, etc. - fine. People > need to read studies, make choices on treatment, etc. -- and if she > does that, she needs to back up her claims with statistics and solid > medical professional testimony. Her cancer was not what Swayze > battled and I doubt that the Swayze family felt need to consult her > approval or disapproval in his treatment.
> None of us get out of this world alive, we do the best we can and make > the educated decisions based on what is in front of us by the > professionals treating us. Her commentary was just not appropriate in > timing or in fact.
> Jackie
I wish Suzanne could show some more compassion for others with cancer or other illnesses whom don't subscribe to her claims. Her comments on Patrick Swayze were out of line. I wish she could be more like actress Fran Dresher of "Nanny" fame whom survived cancer and wrote a book "Cancer Shmancer" which is very helpful to all who have cancer. Fran encourages people to learn and assert themselves on treatments regarding cancer but does not act as an advocate for alternative treatments exclusively for cancer like Suzanne does. Marvin
> As for Ms. Somers, what she chooses to do to herself is one thing. To > try and influence other people to take tons of vitamins and high > colonics (or whatever else she espouses) is just downright > irresponsible and dangerous.- Hide quoted text -
It doesn't even work, anyway. When Michael Landon got cancer, he started using vitamin therapy and acupressure etc. He had pancreatic cancer that spread to his liver. I don't think the alternative therapies did much to prolong his life, poor man.
> On Sep 20, 10:17 am, Jackie <jackilop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 19, 8:43 pm, coversnomore <a.barr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > DId you see Suzanne's comments on Patrick Swayze's death? I just > > > cannot tolerate her passing herself off as an expert in the medical > > > field. I really do not like her and cannot understand her friendship > > > with Barry. Whatever....
> > She chose a different route for her own cancer - and that is fine.
> You're assuming she had cancer. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. > There were no scans, no biopsies, no nothing to confirm a diagnosis. > Just what she thought. If this was her private life where she did > this, that would be totally OK. But it's not - she's broadcasting it > to the world. Big difference.
> I used to work in a cancer hospital and there wasn't ONE person there > who wouldn't give it up and sell shoes if a universal cure was > found. > We dealt with callous, self-righteous charlatans every day and they > made our patients' lives hell and our jobs 4 times as hard as they > needed to be. I don't care who her BFF is it frosts my butt every > time this broad opens her mouth about any health issue, esp cancer. > [/rant]
First, Suzanne's comments on Patrick's passing were taken out of context, and she was not promoting anything at the time..that is also false. She was at a film festival in Canada and she has issued a statement apologizing to his family for any harm done by these reports.
For the rest of your posting here, as a breast cancer fighter and survivor, how dare you imply that Suzanne never had cancer. What an awful thing to say. Just horrible.
Read some of the new medical eveidence and protocals out there. She isn't ranting....maybe it scares you that she might actually be on to something?? And for the record, the woman had surgery and radiation and then follow up with other non traditional treatments. She has NEVER told anyone not to use conventional medicines. Your butt should be frosted just from your cold and callous statements and attitude. We all don't have to agree with everyone in life, but geeze THINK before you say such hurtful awful things. Janet(NY)
lngguyl...@aol.com wrote: > First, Suzanne's comments on Patrick's passing were taken out of > context, and she was not promoting anything at the time..that is also > false. She was at a film festival in Canada and she has issued a > statement apologizing to his family for any harm done by these > reports.
This article includes her apology. She's not denying making the statement, and didn't say it was taken out of context. She just didn't know she was talking to a reporter at the time. PR people say never think a microphone is "off" and never say anything at this type of function that you don't want to go public.
Actress says she never intended chemotherapy discussion to be public
LOS ANGELES - Whoopi Goldberg took aim at Suzanne Somers on Tuesday for comments she reportedly made about the late Patrick Swayze, claiming the actor’s chemotherapy — and not his cancer — was what killed him.
“In case she doesn’t know, Patrick did everything and went everywhere to try and stay healthy as long as he could,” “The View” co-host said of her “Ghost” co-star on Wednesday’s show.
“That he’s been gone a week and this statement came out is bad timing and bad taste and Suzanne, you know better,” Goldberg continued. “And I’m not sure that’s not what you meant to do, but you should have thought about it.”
Somers came under fire last week for comments she made about Swayze in a new interview with Toronto’s National Post.
“They took this beautiful man and they basically put poison in him,” Somers reportedly told National Post columnist Shinan Govani. “Why couldn’t they have built him up nutritionally and gotten rid of the toxins in his body?”
Somers — a former cancer survivor herself — responded to incident on her Web site.
“In a casual conversation at a private party (with someone who never identified himself as a reporter) at the Toronto Film Festival last week, I was asked about this beloved actor. It was never my intention to make an official statement about his passing,” she wrote in a blog post. “I was not informed or aware I was being interviewed. I would never have been so insensitive as to offer a public statement so close to his untimely passing. I sincerely apologize if my comment has caused any additional pain to his family during this difficult time. I send my deepest condolences for their loss.”
Scooter <em...@invalid.com> wrote: > This article includes her apology. She's not denying making the > statement, and didn't say it was taken out of context. She just didn't > know she was talking to a reporter at the time. PR people say never > think a microphone is "off" and never say anything at this type of > function that you don't want to go public.
> Actress says she never intended chemotherapy discussion to be public
> LOS ANGELES - Whoopi Goldberg took aim at Suzanne Somers on Tuesday for > comments she reportedly made about the late Patrick Swayze, claiming the > actor’s chemotherapy — and not his cancer — was what killed him.
> “In case she doesn’t know, Patrick did everything and went everywhere to > try and stay healthy as long as he could,” “The View” co-host said of > her “Ghost” co-star on Wednesday’s show.
> “That he’s been gone a week and this statement came out is bad timing > and bad taste and Suzanne, you know better,” Goldberg continued. “And > I’m not sure that’s not what you meant to do, but you should have > thought about it.”
> Somers came under fire last week for comments she made about Swayze in a > new interview with Toronto’s National Post.
> “They took this beautiful man and they basically put poison in him,” > Somers reportedly told National Post columnist Shinan Govani. “Why > couldn’t they have built him up nutritionally and gotten rid of the > toxins in his body?”
> Somers — a former cancer survivor herself — responded to incident on her > Web site.
> “In a casual conversation at a private party (with someone who never > identified himself as a reporter) at the Toronto Film Festival last > week, I was asked about this beloved actor. It was never my intention to > make an official statement about his passing,” she wrote in a blog post. > “I was not informed or aware I was being interviewed. I would never have > been so insensitive as to offer a public statement so close to his > untimely passing. I sincerely apologize if my comment has caused any > additional pain to his family during this difficult time. I send my > deepest condolences for their loss.”
BTW, here's the link to the original National Post article.
Besides this quote that caused all the controversy:
> “They took this beautiful man and they basically put poison in him,” > Somers reportedly told National Post columnist Shinan Govani. “Why > couldn’t they have built him up nutritionally and gotten rid of the > toxins in his body?”
She added:
"I hate to be this controversial," she later admitted to me. "I'm a singer-dancer-comedienne. But we have an epidemic going on, and I have to say it."
Again, she just didn't realize she was speaking to a reporter.
> “They took this beautiful man and they basically put poison in him,” > Somers reportedly told National Post columnist Shinan Govani. “Why > couldn’t they have built him up nutritionally and gotten rid of the toxins > in his body?”
> Somers — a former cancer survivor herself — responded to incident on her > Web site.
> “In a casual conversation at a private party (with someone who never > identified himself as a reporter) at the Toronto Film Festival last week, > I was asked about this beloved actor. It was never my intention to make an > official statement about his passing,” she wrote in a blog post. “I was > not informed or aware I was being interviewed. I would never have been so > insensitive as to offer a public statement so close to his untimely > passing. I sincerely apologize if my comment has caused any additional > pain to his family during this difficult time. I send my deepest > condolences for their loss.”
This is not really an apology by Suzanne to Swayze's family. Suzanne is apologizing for making her views public to a reporter unknowingly that Patrick should not have had chemotherapy instead of this being a private comment. She is not apologizing for believing that Patrick should not have had chemotherapy and still feels that Patrick having chemotherapy killed him. All Suzanne is sorry about is that her views became known to the public. There is nothing sincere about her apology to Swayze's family.A sincere apologyfrom Suzanne would have stated that "I was wrong to think that chemotherapy killed Patrick and know that his family and the doctors did all they could to save his life." Marvin
> Again, she just didn't realize she was speaking to a reporter.
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Suzanne is full of baloney. Press got invited to the Toronto Film Festival parties so that more people would go to the films and Suzanne knows that the private parties have guests that she never met. Even without designated press people at these parties, anyone Suzanne meets at a party can write a blog or call a newspaper to report on what she said. Bottom line is that you don't tell anyone anything that is not intended for the public to know. I know from personal experince of being invited to parties as an arts writer that celebrities are aware in advance that everything they say will be on the record. Marvin
> > Again, she just didn't realize she was speaking to a reporter.
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> Suzanne is full of baloney. Press got invited to the Toronto Film > Festival parties so that more people would go to the films and Suzanne > knows that the private parties have guests that she never met. Even > without designated press people at these parties, anyone Suzanne meets > at a party can write a blog or call a newspaper to report on what she > said. Bottom line is that you don't tell anyone anything that is not > intended for the public to know. I know from personal experince of > being invited to parties as an arts writer that celebrities are aware > in advance that everything they say will be on the record. Marvin
A new article on CNN from a doctor telling Suzanne to stick to her own line of work.
> On Sep 26, 11:02 pm, marvin <marv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Again, she just didn't realize she was speaking to a reporter.
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> > Suzanne is full of baloney. Press got invited to the Toronto Film > > Festival parties so that more people would go to the films and Suzanne > > knows that the private parties have guests that she never met. Even > > without designated press people at these parties, anyone Suzanne meets > > at a party can write a blog or call a newspaper to report on what she > > said. Bottom line is that you don't tell anyone anything that is not > > intended for the public to know. I know from personal experince of > > being invited to parties as an arts writer that celebrities are aware > > in advance that everything they say will be on the record. Marvin
> A new article on CNN from a doctor telling Suzanne to stick to her own > line of work.
> Reminds me of when he was on the Tom Snyder Show, and Tom asked him about his > fan club site. If I remember, Tom couldn't remember the name, and Barry > said, "The BarryNet," and had a look of mortified embarrassment. He might > not like fan sites, but he knows all about them.
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In this era, fan sites that link back are sure to generate more interest in his site... and for free...
Love reading these posts its so nice to see Barry's still been on tv and in the spot light these last few years.
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Many others feel the same way about Suzanne's acting. There was an episode of "Golden Girls" in which the three women wanted to enter a talent contest to which Sophia responds, "You three have nothing to offer. You would be even worse than watching Suzanne Sommers perform in her TV special". Marvin
On Nov 8, 12:11 pm, marvin <marv...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Many others feel the same way about Suzanne's acting. There was > an episode of "Golden Girls" in which the three women wanted to enter > a talent contest to which Sophia responds, "You three have nothing to > offer. You would be even worse than watching Suzanne Sommers perform > in her TV special". Marvin
Sadly, most celebrities these days get by on boobs and a smile. Both of which are fake. Very few could be considered accomplished actors anymore.
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