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A.Cow  
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 More options 31 Oct, 14:50
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From: "A.Cow" <A....@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:50:37 +0000
Local: Sat 31 Oct 2009 14:50
Subject: Postal strike
Even though I'm bouncing off the walls with prog withdrawal, I must
admit I fully support the current postal strikes.

It's fairly obvious that management are trying to drive the business
into the ground so they can reap rewards after the service is inevitably
privatised.

Our local office has seen sackings for petty offences like failing to
wear cycle helmets (which is pretty stupid considering how dangerous the
things are).  It's a disgraceful way to treat employees.


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Charles E Hardwidge  
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 More options 31 Oct, 15:03
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From: "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:03:12 GMT
Local: Sat 31 Oct 2009 15:03
Subject: Re: Postal strike

"A.Cow" <A....@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hchiqq$3v7$1@aioe.org...
> Even though I'm bouncing off the walls with prog withdrawal, I must admit
> I fully support the current postal strikes.

> It's fairly obvious that management are trying to drive the business into
> the ground so they can reap rewards after the service is inevitably
> privatised.

> Our local office has seen sackings for petty offences like failing to wear
> cycle helmets (which is pretty stupid considering how dangerous the things
> are).  It's a disgraceful way to treat employees.

I support a sound business and well regulated environment. Difficult to say
more than that without setting some mouth off.

The statistics for wearing cycle helmets weigh heavily in their favour so an
odd sacking may be to an attempt to break a backward canteen culture.

If these issues can be satisfactorily resolved to everyone's satisfaction I
don't see how privatisation is an issue.

Digital downloads are a reality Royal Mail et al have to face. Better
competition and access to the net infrastructure can help.

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Charles E Hardwidge


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the_legendary_shark  
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 More options 1 Nov, 16:03
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From: the_legendary_shark <sharkp...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:03:36 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun 1 Nov 2009 16:03
Subject: Re: Postal strike
It's all a sign of a deeper underlying problem, and that problem is
that the Bank of England is a private bank.

The Prime Minister goes to the Bank of England and asks for $1 billion
to pay for hospitals or something. The private BoE PRINTS the money,
then LENDS it to the government at interest. This interest was never
printed, so where does it come from? You guessed it: Tax.

Take back control of the BoE and then, when the Prime Minister needs
£1 billion, the Bank prints it and then gives it to the Government. No
need to pay anything back. Taxes eased. Lives improved. So long as the
Government doesn't have too much money printed there's no problem.

Put all banking into the hands of the Government and, as the
Government doesn't have to make a profit, all loans and mortgages
could be offered at just one or two percent.

Still, we'll never change it because those bankers just love printing
their own money. Also, why should common people be well off when it's
obviously so much more satisfying for the rich to get richer?

*puts away soapbox and wanders off to shout at lamp posts*


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Chris Jordan  
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 More options 1 Nov, 17:48
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From: "Chris Jordan" <deadby...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:48:47 -0000
Local: Sun 1 Nov 2009 17:48
Subject: Re: Postal strike

"the_legendary_shark" <sharkp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

news:a63a381c-954a-4d7f-8811-e02eacaddfc1@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
It's all a sign of a deeper underlying problem, and that problem is
that the Bank of England is a private bank.

The Prime Minister goes to the Bank of England and asks for $1 billion
to pay for hospitals or something. The private BoE PRINTS the money,
then LENDS it to the government at interest. This interest was never
printed, so where does it come from? You guessed it: Tax.

Take back control of the BoE and then, when the Prime Minister needs
£1 billion, the Bank prints it and then gives it to the Government. No
need to pay anything back. Taxes eased. Lives improved. So long as the
Government doesn't have too much money printed there's no problem.

Put all banking into the hands of the Government and, as the
Government doesn't have to make a profit, all loans and mortgages
could be offered at just one or two percent.

Still, we'll never change it because those bankers just love printing
their own money. Also, why should common people be well off when it's
obviously so much more satisfying for the rich to get richer?

*puts away soapbox and wanders off to shout at lamp posts*

Alas if only they could do that. But that just causes a simple form of
inflation.

Back in the day..( when I studied economics at school)..they give you this
example.

A king owed 100 gold coins...he levied a tax ..got 100 gold coins

he then split the gold coins into 200 gold-ish coins. which looked like the
old coins but contained only 1/2 the gold.

Initially he pays off the bills to his debtors and all is well. but he has
increased the amount of money in the system. which leads to inflation.

Least that how I remember it.

Been a while thou..might have to look it up


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A.Cow  
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 More options 1 Nov, 21:10
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From: "A.Cow" <A....@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:10:26 +0000
Local: Sun 1 Nov 2009 21:10
Subject: Re: Postal strike
the_legendary_shark wrote:
> So long as the Government doesn't have too much

 > money printed there's no problem.

That's where your scheme falls down -- they would be too tempted to
print as much money as they need for short-term gain.  Too many
governments run at permanent deficit.  There has to be some disincentive.


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 More options 2 Nov, 12:33
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From: the_legendary_shark <sharkp...@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 12:33
Subject: Re: Postal strike
"Back in the day..( when I studied economics at school)..they give you
this
example."

And who writes the economics books, I wonder? And, once written, who
decides they're fit for scholastic use?

"A king owed 100 gold coins," is a good example, but we don't use gold
coins any more, we use a fiat currency. Paper money that is, in
itself, worthless.

And it's not just governments that do this. When you apply for a
mortgage, the bank you go to presses a button and creates the money to
pay for your house out of thin air. It had not existed before you
asked for it. Then you owe this money to the bank. Plus interest. Now,
I'm not saying that this is an intrinsically bad system - when you use
a fiat currency the money has to come from somewhere - what I am
saying is that the system needs to be recalibrated so that the vast
bulk of the money stays in the system and isn't constantly hoovered up
by rich bankers.

Just my two penn'orth.


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Charles E Hardwidge  
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 More options 2 Nov, 12:47
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From: "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:47:06 GMT
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 12:47
Subject: Re: Postal strike
"the_legendary_shark" <sharkp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

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Good comment. To be fair, most of the more savvy politicians and people get
this. Sure, some mistakes were made but I don't buy into the calculated
cynicism you get from some quarters.

My general view is that competition and fair incomes have failed in the
British economy which is why trimming some power at the top and raising
wages at the bottom is helpful.

Personally, I don't think Labour tearing itself apart or the Tories
opportunism helps but that's the state of politics for you.

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Carl  
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 More options 2 Nov, 19:43
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From: "Carl" <m...@theworld.universe>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:43:12 -0000
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 19:43
Subject: Re: Postal strike

Well, whoever or whatever is responsible for my prog not being here is an
utter, utter bastard.....


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 More options 2 Nov, 21:13
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From: "A.Cow" <A....@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:13:30 +0000
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 21:13
Subject: Re: Postal strike
the_legendary_shark wrote:
> When you apply for a mortgage, the bank you go to

 > presses a button and creates the money to pay for your house
 > out of thin air. It had not existed before you asked for it.

Call me "Mr Thicky, the thickest man in all thickdom" but I thought that
the mortgage loan came from other people's savings, and that your
repayments are then split between the bank (as profit) and the original
saver (as interest on their savings).


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Charles E Hardwidge  
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 More options 2 Nov, 22:10
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From: "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:10:53 GMT
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 22:10
Subject: Re: Postal strike
"Carl" <m...@theworld.universe> wrote in message

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> Well, whoever or whatever is responsible for my prog not being here is an
> utter, utter bastard.....

It's a good week to offer everyone a free download. Retail might bitch but
there's probably something in the locker that can be given out if there's a
risk it could fuck up sales.

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Charles E Hardwidge


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