> >>>"The counting game is doubly stupid to be offered by > >>>meat eaters: the moral issue isn't about counting, and > >>>the meat eater will always lose the game, unless he > >>>hunts or raises and slaughters his own meat." > >>>Jonathan Ball Date: 2003-05-22
> >>The moral issue isn't about counting, asshole.
> > I know that, oh so very well,
> You don't.
You know that I do. Playing the counting game gives every vegan who knows what they're doing a bit of a holiday here against you twerps. You'd be better off using a much different approach against us - you know, a rights based one. Pity.
> You keep trying to redirect the focus, just as you do > with the slavery issue.
I sometimes use *your* CD argument to get a bit of a breather, that's all.
> I set the rules, Derek, not you.
No, you don't, but even though you think you do, I have a talent for making you regret having made them. You aren't so smart, Jon, not now I know you need to rely on outright lying to fend me off.
>>>>>"The counting game is doubly stupid to be offered by >>>>>meat eaters: the moral issue isn't about counting, and >>>>>the meat eater will always lose the game, unless he >>>>>hunts or raises and slaughters his own meat." >>>>>Jonathan Ball Date: 2003-05-22
>>>>The moral issue isn't about counting, asshole.
>>>I know that, oh so very well,
>>You don't.
> You know that I do.
We all know that it isn't really about counting.
>>You keep trying to redirect the focus, just as you do >>with the slavery issue.
> I sometimes use *your* CD argument to get a bit of > a breather, that's all.
> >>>>>"The counting game is doubly stupid to be offered by > >>>>>meat eaters: the moral issue isn't about counting, and > >>>>>the meat eater will always lose the game, unless he > >>>>>hunts or raises and slaughters his own meat." > >>>>>Jonathan Ball Date: 2003-05-22
> >>>>The moral issue isn't about counting, asshole.
> >>>I know that, oh so very well,
> >>You don't.
> > You know that I do.
> We all know that it isn't really about counting.
> >>You keep trying to redirect the focus, just as you do > >>with the slavery issue.
> > I sometimes use *your* CD argument to get a bit of > > a breather, that's all.
> >>I set the rules, Derek, not you.
> > No, you don't,
> I set the rules for you, Dreck.
The sad fact is Derek - he actually believes this, poor old sod. See what you have done to him!
> The sad fact is Derek - he actually believes this, poor old sod.
True. Every now and again he has to say it aloud to convince himself and keep the delusion alive.
> See what you have done to him!
I agree, but most of it is his own doing; self inflicted. He crippled himself by taking on too much of a load history fooled him into believing he could easily cope with.
Anyway, tomorrow's the big day, so I'll be off for a while. See you when I get back.
> > The sad fact is Derek - he actually believes this, poor old sod.
> True. Every now and again he has to say it aloud > to convince himself and keep the delusion alive.
> > See what you have done to him!
> I agree, but most of it is his own doing; self inflicted. > He crippled himself by taking on too much of a load > history fooled him into believing he could easily cope > with.
> Anyway, tomorrow's the big day, so I'll be off for a > while. See you when I get back.
> > > The sad fact is Derek - he actually believes this, poor old sod.
> > True. Every now and again he has to say it aloud > > to convince himself and keep the delusion alive.
> > > See what you have done to him!
> > I agree, but most of it is his own doing; self inflicted. > > He crippled himself by taking on too much of a load > > history fooled him into believing he could easily cope > > with.
> > Anyway, tomorrow's the big day, so I'll be off for a > > while. See you when I get back.
> > > > The sad fact is Derek - he actually believes this, poor old sod.
> > > True. Every now and again he has to say it aloud > > > to convince himself and keep the delusion alive.
> > > > See what you have done to him!
> > > I agree, but most of it is his own doing; self inflicted. > > > He crippled himself by taking on too much of a load > > > history fooled him into believing he could easily cope > > > with.
> > > Anyway, tomorrow's the big day, so I'll be off for a > > > while. See you when I get back.
> >>It worked well enough for Dreck to think to pick up an > >>engine block without a hoist.
> > It was a cold day. I wasn't warmed up.
> The temperature didn't matter.
And you'd know, right, Jon girlie hands? You wouldn't be able to change 'suspect's' front wheel, let alone separate a lump from its gearbox and drag it out from a family saloon with your bare hands and some seat belt webbing, midget. You're all gob and no gristle.
> You have a pinto bean for a brain.
Back at you, Jon. Your brain, and my fruitless search for a working sign of it puts a whole new slant to your claim of "a vegan's wierd search for micrograms."
>>>>>The old one's hardly even been used. Then again, it barely seems to >>>>>work.
>>>>It worked well enough for Dreck to think to pick up an >>>>engine block without a hoist.
>>>It was a cold day. I wasn't warmed up.
>>The temperature didn't matter.
> And you'd know, right, Jon
Yep. I *do* know, you lying self-pitying fuck. You didn't show up at work and immediately decide to lift that engine block.
> You wouldn't be able to change 'suspect's' front wheel,
Not so. I rebuilt the carburetor on my Honda Civic once, and I once did a complete brake job on my Nissan pick-up truck. Those were a long time ago, though. Nowadays, I hire that thing done, by garages employing dumb semi-skilled pseudo-toughs like you.
> let alone separate a lump from its gearbox and drag > it out from a family saloon
Get off it, dummy. We established long ago that it was only the engine *block*, and it was a little four-cylinder putt-putt at that.
> with your bare hands > and some seat belt webbing, midget. You're all > gob and no gristle.
>>You have a pinto bean for a brain.
> Back at you, Jon. Your brain, and my fruitless > search for a working sign of it puts a whole new > slant to your claim of "a vegan's wierd search > for micrograms."
You lose every time out, Dreck. I play with you as a cat plays with a baby mouse.
>>You do stupid things.
> "did". Past tense.
Still do, you dumb fat ignorant fuck. Among other stupid things you do, you try to "debate" with people far smarter *and* more intelligent than you. Why don't you try taking on the American army with a pea-shooter; you'd have better success.
Derek wrote: >>>It was a cold day. I wasn't warmed up.
>>Is that an excuse for your injury or for your absence of thought?
> No, not an excuse, but rather a reason instead. I don't > make excuses.
You just made two excuses: cold weather and your lack of preparation. Lack of preparation means you failed to engage the ol' brain before engaging the ol' back. Now neither works. So how did you get bluefoot?
> >>Is that an excuse for your injury or for your absence of thought?
> > No, not an excuse, but rather a reason instead. I don't > > make excuses.
> You just made two excuses: cold weather and your lack of preparation. > Lack of preparation means you failed to engage the ol' brain before > engaging the ol' back.
No, they were reasons, not excuses.
> Now neither works.
My mind is clear and sharper now than it ever was.
> So how did you get bluefoot?
I gradually built up too much bone after my first spinal fusion and developed spinal stenosis. Something or other was trapped, and a sequelae of that was giving me chronic pain in my leg and foot, turning it a bluish colour. My second fusion last year seems to have brought some colour back to it, but the pain in it isn't likely to ever go.
Derek wrote: >>>>>It was a cold day. I wasn't warmed up.
>>>>Is that an excuse for your injury or for your absence of thought?
>>>No, not an excuse, but rather a reason instead. I don't >>>make excuses.
>>You just made two excuses: cold weather and your lack of preparation. >>Lack of preparation means you failed to engage the ol' brain before >>engaging the ol' back.
> No, they were reasons, not excuses.
*Excuses*, and not very good ones.
>>Now neither works.
> My mind is clear and sharper now than it ever was.
Which doesn't say very much for it *before* your problems, does it.
>>So how did you get bluefoot?
> I gradually built up too much bone after my first > spinal fusion and developed spinal stenosis. > Something or other was trapped, and a sequelae > of that was giving me chronic pain in my leg and > foot, turning it a bluish colour. My second > fusion last year seems to have brought some > colour back to it, but the pain in it isn't likely > to ever go.
How many of your vertebrae have been fused? Losing some weight would reduce the severity of your stenosis (which is usually treated with fusion rather than caused by it) and take a lot of the load off your spine. That's usually the very first thing back specialists here recommend.
> >>>>>The old one's hardly even been used. Then again, it barely seems to > >>>>>work.
> >>>>It worked well enough for Dreck to think to pick up an > >>>>engine block without a hoist.
> >>>It was a cold day. I wasn't warmed up.
> >>The temperature didn't matter.
> > And you'd know, right, Jon
> Yep. I *do* know, you lying self-pitying fuck. You > didn't show up at work and immediately decide to lift > that engine block.
That's exactly how it happened. It was the first job of that day, IIRC.
> > You wouldn't be able to change 'suspect's' front wheel,
> Not so. I rebuilt the carburetor on my Honda Civic > once,
You can't even spell one right, let alone service one.
> and I once did a complete brake job on my Nissan > pick-up truck.
You bled the brakes?
> Those were a long time ago, though. > Nowadays, I hire that thing done, by garages employing > dumb semi-skilled pseudo-toughs like you.
I'm a fully skilled vehicle electrician with all my certs to prove it.
> > let alone separate a lump from its gearbox and drag > > it out from a family saloon
> Get off it, dummy. We established long ago that it was > only the engine *block*, and it was a little > four-cylinder putt-putt at that.
Well, it was big enough for me that day, and much too big for you on any day, weed.
> > with your bare hands > > and some seat belt webbing, midget. You're all > > gob and no gristle.
> >>You have a pinto bean for a brain.
> > Back at you, Jon. Your brain, and my fruitless > > search for a working sign of it puts a whole new > > slant to your claim of "a vegan's wierd search > > for micrograms."
> You lose every time out, Dreck. I play with you as a > cat plays with a baby mouse.
That's just plain daft. You're deluded. You've a big mouth, that's all, and anyone can shout a load of nothing.
> >>You do stupid things.
> > "did". Past tense.
> Still do, you dumb fat ignorant fuck. Among other > stupid things you do, you try to "debate" with people > far smarter *and* more intelligent than you.
You don't debate. You lie and ignore any evidence put before you to proves you wrong, and that's miles away from what I would call a debate. Troll, more like, but not debate.
> Why don't > you try taking on the American army with a pea-shooter; > you'd have better success.
>>Not so. I rebuilt the carburetor on my Honda Civic >>once,
> You can't even spell one right, let alone service > one.
We spell C-A-R-B-U-R-E-T-O-R, you spell C-A-R-B-U-R-E-T-T-O-R. Your lot have mastered the art of extra letters in words: color, neighbor, etc. You can't pronounce "tomato" properly, putz.
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>>Why don't >>you try taking on the American army with a pea-shooter; >>you'd have better success.
> Your army are a bunch of wankers.
They work for a living; you sit at home after waddling down to the chip and betting shops.
>>>>Is that an excuse for your injury or for your absence of thought?
>>>No, not an excuse, but rather a reason instead. I don't >>>make excuses.
>>You just made two excuses: cold weather and your lack of preparation. >>Lack of preparation means you failed to engage the ol' brain before >>engaging the ol' back.
> No, they were reasons, not excuses.
They were and remain excuses. A reason would have been, "I was stupid, and attempted to lift something I had NO FUCKING BUSINESS trying to lift, and thus I injured myself based on nothing more than my OWN STUPIDITY." THAT would have been a reason, Dreck.
Instead, you gave us excuses. "It was tooooooo cold! <whine> I wasn't reaaaaaaaaaaaady. <whine>"
>>Now neither works.
> My mind is clear and sharper now than it ever was.
Wow. Then you were all but comatose before.
>>So how did you get bluefoot?
[snip medical horseshit]
You got "bluefoot" from plopping your squishy lard ass down on the sofa all fucking day long and watching bad television.
> >>>>Is that an excuse for your injury or for your absence of thought?
> >>>No, not an excuse, but rather a reason instead. I don't > >>>make excuses.
> >>You just made two excuses: cold weather and your lack of preparation. > >>Lack of preparation means you failed to engage the ol' brain before > >>engaging the ol' back.
> > No, they were reasons, not excuses.
> *Excuses*, and not very good ones.
> >>Now neither works.
> > My mind is clear and sharper now than it ever was.
> Which doesn't say very much for it *before* your problems, does it.
> >>So how did you get bluefoot?
> > I gradually built up too much bone after my first > > spinal fusion and developed spinal stenosis. > > Something or other was trapped, and a sequelae > > of that was giving me chronic pain in my leg and > > foot, turning it a bluish colour. My second > > fusion last year seems to have brought some > > colour back to it, but the pain in it isn't likely > > to ever go.
> How many of your vertebrae have been fused?
L3, L4, L5, and L5 was fused to the sacrum. The second fusion included L2 and a re-break of L3.
> Losing some weight would > reduce the severity of your stenosis (which is usually treated with > fusion rather than caused by it) and take a lot of the load off your > spine. That's usually the very first thing back specialists here recommend.
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