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J  
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From: "J" <Jvisi...@live.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:16:56 -0500
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 23:16
Subject: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion
If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
contemplating killing her pre-born child. Ultrasounds should be mandatory
before every perspective abortion in America.

http://www.lifenews.com/state4534.html

Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
November 2, 2009

Bryan, TX (LifeNews.com) -- The director of a Texas-based Planned Parenthood
has resigned her position saying that she has had a change of heart on
abortion. The development highlights the powerful results ultrasounds have
in convincing people of the humanity of the unborn child and the need to
oppose abortions.
Abby Johnson had been the director of the Planned Parenthood center in this
college town, that is home to Texas A&M University, until she turned in her
resignation on October 6.

She tells KBTX that seeing an ultrasound instantaneously prompted her to
quit.

"I just thought I can't do this anymore, and it was just like a flash that
hit me and I thought that's it," she said.

In the interview, Johnson admitted that Planned Parenthood doesn't make its
money on promoting contraception or family planning, but through abortion.

"It seemed like maybe that's not what a lot of people were believing any
more because that's not where the money was. The money wasn't in family
planning, the money wasn't in prevention, the money was in abortion and so I
had a problem with that," she admitted.

She also told KBTX she was told to bring in more women for abortions --  
something that contradicted her Episcopalian upbringing.

"I feel so pure in heart (since leaving). I don't have this guilt, I don't
have this burden on me anymore that's how I know this conversion was a
spiritual conversion," she said.

--
J Young
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From: rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Date: 02 Nov 2009 23:53:41 GMT
Local: Mon 2 Nov 2009 23:53
Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>murderer,

Someone like you, nazi turd?

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From: pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:59:59 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion
On Nov 2, 6:53 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

> J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
> >murderer,

> Someone like you,

I think J had someone like Carhart in mind.

Note: I don't think of abortionists as murderers, not even late-term
abortionists like Carhart, although at one time (1992-7) I thought the
late-term ones should be treated as such under our laws.  But I have
come to believe that "manslaughter" is the right category for them, as
do you, Ray.

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From: rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Date: 03 Nov 2009 03:02:02 GMT
Local: Tues 3 Nov 2009 03:02
Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

pnyikos  <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 6:53 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>> >murderer,

>> Someone like you,

>I think J had someone like Carhart in mind.

The nazi turd just hates everybody who isn't part of his cult.

>Note: I don't think of abortionists as murderers,

Because it's actually the pro-liars who are the terrorists and murderers.

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From: "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:21:38 -0600
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion
"J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message

news:38keq7.lod.17.1@news.alt.net...
> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
> contemplating killing her pre-born child. Ultrasounds should be mandatory
> before every perspective abortion in America.
> http://www.lifenews.com/state4534.html

"lifenews, you can trust us to give you nothing but lies and distortion!"
Who cares what may or may not have happened, just as long as good, decent,
healthy, wholesome abortions continue!
Baby, bad.  Abortion, good!
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From: r...@somis.org (•R.L.Measures)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:55:41 -0800
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

In article <38keq7.lod.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
> contemplating killing her pre-born child. ...

•  What is a pre-born child?

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From: "J" <Jvisi...@live.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:28:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

".R.L.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message

news:r-0211091955420001@10.0.1.7...

> In article <38keq7.lod.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

>> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
>> contemplating killing her pre-born child. ...

> .  What is a pre-born child?

A baby who at the moment is geographically located inside the mother's womb.

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From: rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Date: 03 Nov 2009 06:08:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>>> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
>>> contemplating killing her pre-born child. ...

>> .  What is a pre-born child?

>A baby who at the moment is geographically located inside the mother's womb.

"Geographically"?!?

You really are a stupid nazi turd.

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.L.Measures)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:11:57 -0800
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

In article <38l4j2.m7o.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> ".R.L.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
> news:r-0211091955420001@10.0.1.7...
> > In article <38keq7.lod.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

> >> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
> >> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
> >> contemplating killing her pre-born child. ...

> > .  What is a pre-born child?

> A baby who at the moment is geographically located inside the mother's womb.

**  Thanks.  .  Babies breathe air.  Since there is no air inside a womb,
do these babies bring a breathing tube with them when they move in?

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From: Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:10:17 -0600
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion
"J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in news:38l4j2.m7o.19.1@news.alt.net:

    Do you celebrate your conception day?

    Shouldn't citizenship be determined by
where you were conceived?

    If abortion is murder then miscarriage
is manslaughter or accidental homicide, no?


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From: MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:20:22 -0500
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

So, all you have to do is move the "baby" outside the womb, where the
mother doesn't want it to be, and both will be happy.  Of course, if the
baby cannot survive outside a womb, that's hardly the mother's fault, is
it?

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.L.Measures)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:09:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion
In article <Xns9CB83EDADB650noemailcomcast...@216.196.97.130>, Mitchell

•  When discussing termination of a pregnancy for any reason whatsoever,
TBRC brains are programed to auto-switch to logic-inhibit mode.

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:47:56 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 3, 7:20 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:

And if the mother doesn't want her 6 month old to be in the house just
move it outside.  Of course, if the baby cannot survive outside the
house, that's hardly the mother's fault is it?

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It's called "adoption".

>  Of course, if the baby cannot survive outside the
>house, that's hardly the mother's fault is it?

Once somebody else assumes care of the baby, then what happens
isn't her fault.

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From: "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:53:40 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 2, 6:16 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
> murderer,

Lie in the first sentance.
No need to go further.

PDW


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From: "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:54:43 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 3, 12:28 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

Then your wrong again. That is a fetus, not a baby.
And no matter how many times you lie about it, it will never be a baby
either.

PDW


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:01:36 -0600
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:24:37 -0500, Attila <<procho...@here.now>
wrote:

>>. Ultrasounds should be mandatory
>>before every perspective abortion in America.
>No.

Truthfully at the time that most abortions are done. The fetus is
about the size of a mans thumb, and has to be pointed out to the
prospective parent.

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On Nov 2, 6:59 pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Well, fauxNy, abortion has never been murder, in any legal code, under
common law, or in the bible.

And bearing false witness *is* a sin ... so that means you'll burn in
hell.
That's your bible, your rules.  You go burn.


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On Nov 2, 9:28 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

Nope.  the prefix pre- with a past tense verb means already done, as
in precooked.

So, a preborn fetus is a baby ...  using your twisted words.


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Date: 04 Nov 2009 02:54:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:28:33 -0500, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

> ".R.L.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
> news:r-0211091955420001@10.0.1.7...
>> In article <38keq7.lod.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

>>> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>>> murderer, imagine the powerful influence it would have with a young woman
>>> contemplating killing her pre-born child. ...

>> .  What is a pre-born child?

> A baby who at the moment is geographically located inside the mother's womb.

So, what's your supposed website at the Rice Institute?  *chuckle*

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From: rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Date: 04 Nov 2009 03:43:10 GMT
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

pnyikos  <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>  But I have
>come to believe that "manslaughter" is the right category for them, as
>do you, Ray.

I say that you are a liar.  I have never referred to abortion as
manslaughter.

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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood Director in Texas Resigns, Watched Ultrasound of Abortion

Is that 6 months after BIRTH?  There is no disagreement that a woman is
responsible for a baby *after it is born*.  There is no such agreement
when they are still in the womb.  If a woman wants to put a 6 month old up
for adoption, she should be able to do so.  Same goes for a fetus.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:33:10 -0600
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> Is that 6 months after BIRTH?  There is no disagreement that a woman is
> responsible for a baby *after it is born*.  There is no such agreement
> when they are still in the womb.  If a woman wants to put a 6 month old up
> for adoption, she should be able to do so.  Same goes for a fetus.

There's just one flaw with that - a fetus is not a living, human being.
Adopting something that is not a child is as crazy as marrying something
that is not an adult.

Now - that may be the way things are done in inbred, hillbilly communities -
where they believe in talking snakes that the US government is the enemy.
But that's not how it's done in mainstream America.


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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:35:06 GMT
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Ray Fischer wrote:
> pnyikos  <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 6:53 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>> J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> If the sight of an ultrasound can change the heart and mind of a mass
>>>> murderer,
>>> Someone like you,
>> I think J had someone like Carhart in mind.

> The nazi turd just hates everybody who isn't part of his cult.

stop projecting

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> pnyikos  <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>  But I have
>> come to believe that "manslaughter" is the right category for them, as
>> do you, Ray.

> I say that you are a liar.  I have never referred to abortion as
> manslaughter.

Despite the fact that it often is

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