Below is a copy of the view toolbar definition from the MPTW
ViewTemplateToolbar in MptwTheme. X

    <span macro='toolbar closeTiddler closeOthers +editTiddler
    deleteTiddler > fields syncing permalink references jump'></span>
    <span macro='newHere label:"new here"'></span><span
    macro='newTiddler label:"new tiddler"'></span>

As you will notice, the "edit" and "delete" commands are next to each
other. I'd like to move the "delete" command to the far right end of the
toolbar. How do I do that?

Thanks,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

Like this:

    <span macro='toolbar closeTiddler closeOthers +editTiddler
    > fields syncing permalink references jump deleteTiddler'></span>
    <span macro='newHere label:"new here"'></span><span
    macro='newTiddler label:"new tiddler"'></span>

W.

Thanks, wolfgang. That was one possibility that occurred to me, but I
don't know doodley.

Sincerely,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

On 10/14/2008 Eric Weir wrote::

Didn't work -- "delete" doesn't show up at all. I tried replicating the
macro call for newTiddler and learned that deleteTiddler is not a macro.
That and what you suggested exhaust the possibilities I imagined.

Anything else I could try?

Thanks,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

Hi Eric,

.. what I suggested always worked for me.

Are you sure the MptwTheme is even on - and no other theme or
ViewTemplate or the ToolbarCommands shadowed tiddler?

Regards,

W.

also, are you aware that the > sign in the toolbar definition is
actually what appears as the 'more' in a tiddler toolbar?
Which, when clicked, reveals further toolbar commands which are
positioned on the right side of the > sign in the toolbar definition.
As the deleteTiddler command actually is.

W.

I don't know what you mean "is the MptwTheme on." It's tagged with
systemTheme. Does that answer the question. Also, when I made the change
you suggested, the "delete" command disappeared. That suggests to me
that MptwTheme is controlling.

I don't know whether ToolbarCommands needs to be tagged or not, but it
is not, and making changes to it has no effect on the commands that are
displayed.

Thanks,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

I wasn't aware, and the "delete" command does appear when "more" is clicked.

Actually, the complete toolbar definition in the ViewTemplateToolbar
section of MptwTheme is this

    <span macro='toolbar closeTiddler closeOthers +editTiddler > fields
    syncing permalink references jump deleteTiddler'></span> <span
    macro='newHere label:"new here"'></span><span macro='newTiddler
    label:"new tiddler"'></span>
        <span macro='newJournalHere
    {{config.mptwJournalFormat?config.mptwJournalFormat:"YYYY/MMM/0DD"}}'></spa n>

I would like to get the "delete" command on the right side of the "new
journal" command. Is that possible?

Alternatively, if I could get "edit" to the left of "done," or even of
"close," and put "delete" back on the immediate left of "more," that
would work, too.

Thanks,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

You can have 100 systemTheme tagged tiddler, that doesn't mean there
actually in effect.

True.

ToolbarCommands is a shadowed tiddler, which never have to be tagged
in any way. For bringing ToolbarCommands to effect there would have to
use a [[ToolbarCommands::ViewToolbar]] transclusion in the
ViewTemplate, where the commands are usually in place.
Take a look at an empty TW 2.4.1, where this actually this way by
default.

- you can shovel them around between the <span macro='toolbar  ...
and the first '></span> delimiter after - or even delete some of them
- how ever way you wish.

Regards,

W.

I might later want to learn how to use ToolbarCommands, but for now the
shadowed ViewTemplate has the [[ToolbarCommands::ViewToolbar]]
transculsion -- whatever a "transclusion" is -- in place. However, the
toolbar definition in MptwThemes seems to be controlling, and I think
I'll leave it that way.

What's the advantage of using the ToolBarCommands tiddler?

That helps.

Thanks.
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

Hi Eric,

the word 'Transclusion' means a sort of automatic inclusion of content
from an other tiddler.

In a tiddler transcludion macro you can write for example <<tiddler
GettingStarted>> in a new tiddler - which makes the content of an
already existing GettingStarted tiddler displayed in this new tiddler.

The shadowed ToolbarCommands tiddler contains the following table by
default:

|~ViewToolbar|closeTiddler closeOthers +editTiddler > fields syncing
permalink references jump|
|~EditToolbar|+saveTiddler -cancelTiddler deleteTiddler|

and [[ToolbarCommands::EditToolbar]] will include only the content of
the second column in the second row titled ~EditToolbar of the
ToolbarCommands tiddler to templates (like View- or EditTemplate) or
its equivalent sections of a systemTheme tagged tiddler.

The advantage should be that newbies don't get confused by all the
other stuff in a View or EditTemplate - which rarely need
modifications - but make the addition, moving or deletion of toolbar
commands easier, which quite often is required for adding plugins.

Which obviously failed in your case.

Regards,

W.

Thanks for this and the other explanations. Actually, the reason it
failed is that in MPTW MptwTheme doesn't activate the
ToolBarCommandsTiddler. [Or at least that's how I understand it.]

Regards,
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Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net