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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. CURIOUS DISCOVERY.

bbake...@sympatico.ca (Barb Baker) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 17:48:23 UT

Yes it was Roland. I stand corrected. Winnie the Pooh said "oh bother"
Barb.
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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. CURIOUS DISCOVERY.

roly.ed...@btinternet.com (Roland Edgar) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:56 UT

Was it not Alice as in "Wonderland" and "Looking Glass"?
Roland
How peculiar !!! "Twould be interesting to know what marks were on the china pieces.
Was it Winnie the Pooh who said "Curiouser and Curiouser" ???
Barb, Ontario, Canada.
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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: poignant question on remembrance day

windebr...@googlemail.com (Steve) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 13:46:10 UT

Herbert Stanley Turner medal
card -
[link] <[link]>
This is the only record I can find, the WW1 records are not complete as

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: poignant question on remembrance day

mike.trowsd...@gmail.com (Mike Trowsdale) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 13:38:29 UT

Yes if she remarried her name would be recorded as Turner but any children
would be recorded as mothers name Lisgo.
Mike
2009/11/8 Petra Mitchinson <Petra.Mitchin...@doctors.org. uk>

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] poignant question on remembrance day

petra.mitchin...@doctors.org.uk (Petra Mitchinson) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 12:14:00 UT

Hi Pauline,
Re Question 2:
Once Minnie was married to Herbert Stanley TURNER, strictly speaking she should have used the surname TURNER until she married again, and any children born to her while her surname was TURNER should also have had the surname TURNER.
However, occasionally a woman did got back to her maiden name some time after her husband's death, particularly if it was only a very short marriage without any children.

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. THE CONVICT DOOGAN.

petra.mitchin...@doctors.org.uk (Petra Mitchinson) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 12:13:13 UT

Thank you, George, very interesting - there were more details in those articles than in The Times!
Petra
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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. CURIOUS DISCOVERY.

bbake...@sympatico.ca (Barb Baker) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 11:16:32 UT

Ah yes ! Thanks.
Barb.
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Subject: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. CURIOUS DISCOVERY.
No, it was Alice as I recall.
Geo.
How peculiar !!! "Twould be interesting to know what marks were on the china pieces.

poignant question on remembrance day

pauline.stanl...@ntlworld.com (pauline stanley) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 09:43:54 UT

Hi
One of the TURNER families I am researching is
HERBERT STANLEY TURNER
born 1891 married Sept qt 1917
died the Somme 24th March 1918
Question 1
On his will made 11.dec 1917 he left all his worldly good to his wife
MINNIE TURNER nee LISGO
of 1Greystone Road Carlisle.
would this be near the Fuzehill end or near Warwick Road?

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. THE CONVICT DOOGAN.

bar...@gmail.com (Geo.) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 08:50:29 UT

Petra, he was already under sentence of 7 years transportation when he escaped. It's unlikely I know, but perhaps he was just shipped out without being tried for subsequent crimes. I haven't been able to find a record of him arriving in Australia as either Lawrence Doogan or Joseph Haynes although it's most likely that he ended up here. I've attached clippings from two newspaper reports. I think you which you may already have transcribed this particular version of the escape, I'm not sure about the recapture article.

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. CURIOUS DISCOVERY.

bar...@gmail.com (Geo.) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 06:31:42 UT

No, it was Alice as I recall.
Geo.
How peculiar !!! "Twould be interesting to know what marks were on the china pieces.
Was it Winnie the Pooh who said "Curiouser and Curiouser" ???
Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. DEATH FROM EXCESSIVE...

annnewyork...@aol.com — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 00:22:45 UT

In a message dated 11/7/2009 7:16:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
I know, but this boy was considered "slow"; ;what an awful prank to play
on a unsuspecting fellow.
yes, that is very true.

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. DEATH FROM EXCESSIVE...

bbake...@sympatico.ca (Barb Baker) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:03 UT

I know, but this boy was considered "slow"; ;what an awful prank to play on a unsuspecting fellow.
B.
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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] Re: CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. DEATH FROM EXCESSIVE...

annnewyork...@aol.com — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:27 UT

In a message dated 11/7/2009 7:07:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Poor fellow !! What an awful sport in the name of "drink"
What is worse are kids still drink like that today and end up killing
themselves.

Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. DEATH FROM EXCESSIVE DRINKING IN SPORT.

bbake...@sympatico.ca (Barb Baker) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 00:06:54 UT

Poor fellow !! What an awful sport in the name of "drink"
Barb.
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Re: [CUL GOOGLIES] CARLISLE PATRIOT, JULY 29, 1843. THE CONVICT DOOGAN.

petra.mitchin...@doctors.org.uk (Petra Mitchinson) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 00:07:00 UT

Another chap about whom I transcribed a couple of articles from The Times before!
The Times, Monday, Jul 10, 1843; pg. 5; Issue 18344; col D
ESCAPE FROM CARLISLE GAOL. - DARING FEAT. - A youth of the name of Lawrence DOOGAN, about 16 years of age, who at the Quarter Sessions last week was found guilty of stealing some silver spoons from a dwelling-house in Maryport, and sentenced to be transported for seven years, made his escape from our county gaol in the course of Tuesday night last. The prisoner, who had been unwell, was confined in the hospital ward, along with a soldier, who had been apprehended for desertion. He was seen in the hospital by the turnkey previous to locking up at 8 o'clock. At 6 o'clock next morning the bird had fled. His mode of escape soon became apparent. The ward is on the ground floor. Above the door is a fan-light - a pane of glass 6½ inches broad by 14 inches in height. This pane he had picked out entire, and through the opening contrived to squeeze his body - in all probability assisted by the soldier, who, however, denies the fact. Very near to this door is a leaden spout, fastened close to the smooth stone-wall, for carrying off the rain water from the roof, about 6 inches in diameter, and 25 feet in height. Up to this spout he had contrived to climb. At the top of it is a chamber or receiver for the water, about 12 inches square, and into this his must have got both his hands and feet, before he could make his next movement! He had now to raise himself up to get hold of the parapet, nearly five feet from the top of the spout on which he had obtained his fearful footing. In springing upwards, the spout partly gave way, one of the two nails by which the head was fastened to the wall having been torn out - at the moment when the slightest slip must have dashed him to the ground from his giddy height. However, he escaped the danger, and made his footing good, exactly on the spot where executions take place. Passing along the leads he reached the Court-house, the roof of which he crossed, and dropping a height of about ten feet upon the leads of a wing of the court, was right in front of the shrubbery at the south-end of the building - but still at a height of at least 20 feet from the ground. To this he appears to have paid little regard; for a few feet from the base of the wall are to be seen the deep impressions of his feet where he had alighted from his daring leap. On the alarm of escape being given, Mr. ORRIDGE, the Governor of the prison, lost no time in making search for the fugitive - offering 20L. reward for his apprehension, but hitherto without the slightest effect. No blame whatever can be attached to any of the officers of the prison, for unless a watchman were placed over each prisoner, no degree of vigilance could guard against such an escape. So desperate and daring a feat we have rarely heard of. - Carlisle Journal.